GGajewski18 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Daryl Van SchouwenVerified account @CST_soxvan Hahn on Flowers: "We saw opportunity to improve club from offensive standpoint. This move done as part of a plan." A plan!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 07:40 PM) Zero reason to non tender Avi. He's only going to make $2.5 million or so and has an option left. You don' t give up his potential for so little money. There are several reasons to non-tender Avi, but in the context of the Flowers non-tender it's more confusing, as at least Flowers has shown he can provide *some* value, at a position where FA/trade talent is way more scarce. I've written hundreds of words elsewhere on the issues I have with Avi's "potential" so I won't get into that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 06:43 PM) That is beyond awful for the Sox. How so? Sanchez and Bird become the catcher and first baseman of the future with Abreu sliding over to the DH spot. Jagielo is a little bit of a lottery ticket, but he is still pretty young and has some pop at a premium position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I love that this also happened on the day Beckham signed somewhere else. So awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 06:48 PM) There are several reasons to non-tender Avi, but in the context of the Flowers non-tender it's more confusing, as at least Flowers has shown he can provide *some* value, at a position where FA/trade talent is way more scarce. I've written hundreds of words elsewhere on the issues I have with Avi's "potential" so I won't get into that. I agree so hard with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I don't know about this, I need to see the corresponding move before I can have a opinion on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 The part that's interesting is that he's evidently perceived, even with the pitch framing, to be worth less than $3.5 million. Otherwise, Sox could've gotten something in trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Obviously early, but worth noting that the White Sox's plan so far to address the awful 2015 season has been to jettison the catching unit which was arguably middle-to-top-half-of-MLB in terms of value (depending how you feel about framing) and yet to touch 2B, 3B or corner OF which were amongst the league's worst. I'll probably feel more comfortable when the bigger picture is revealed, but it's not quite the way I would have approached things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) #WhiteSox GM Rick Hahn on Flowers: "This move was done as part of a plan." Replacement move coming https://twitter.com/scotgregor/status/672215543924027392 Rick Hahn said this is part of a plan, #WhiteSox hope to add another catcher in coming days. https://twitter.com/CSNHayes/status/672216684095238146 Edited December 3, 2015 by WhiteSoxLifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) I just don't see Dioner being THAT much better than Flowers. If they dumped Flowers I would imagine there's a bigger offensive acquisition incoming via trade. Edited December 3, 2015 by Sockin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Rick Hahn said they hope to still work something out with Jacob Turner, outside of arbitration constraints. https://twitter.com/ChiTribKane/status/672217094264643585 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 06:57 PM) Obviously early, but worth noting that the White Sox's plan so far to address the awful 2015 season has been to jettison the catching unit which was arguably middle-to-top-half-of-MLB in terms of value (depending how you feel about framing) and yet to touch 2B, 3B or corner OF which were amongst the league's worst. I'll probably feel more comfortable when the bigger picture is revealed, but it's not quite the way I would have approached things. Keep in mind the catching market has moved faster than the other markets so far. So getting something done now seems to be what they had to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 06:57 PM) Obviously early, but worth noting that the White Sox's plan so far to address the awful 2015 season has been to jettison the catching unit which was arguably middle-to-top-half-of-MLB in terms of value (depending how you feel about framing) and yet to touch 2B, 3B or corner OF which were amongst the league's worst. I'll probably feel more comfortable when the bigger picture is revealed, but it's not quite the way I would have approached things. Of course you told all of us last season Flowers wouldn't hit .200, and reminded us of that when you bumped your post when he dipped below. Now it makes no sense to you that he gets non tendered and the White Sox upgrade their offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 06:48 PM) Daryl Van SchouwenVerified account @CST_soxvan Hahn on Flowers: "We saw opportunity to improve club from offensive standpoint. This move done as part of a plan." A plan!!! We're no longer deciding on what to do!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 06:57 PM) #WhiteSox GM Rick Hahn on Flowers: "This move was done as part of a plan." Replacement move coming https://twitter.com/scotgregor/status/672215543924027392 Rick Hahn said this is part of a plan, #WhiteSox hope to add another catcher in coming days. https://twitter.com/CSNHayes/status/672216684095238146 Ah yes, the 3 year plan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 White Sox GM Rick Hahn said he has another catcher ready to be added after non tendering Tyler Flowers . https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/672217920454332416 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 06:58 PM) I just don't see Dioner being THAT much better than Flowers. If they dumped Flowers I would imagine there's a bigger offensive acquisition incoming via trade. That's my hope too. Young, good potential...that sort of thing. Sox aren't winning anything in 2016, so set up for 2017-2019 as best they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 06:58 PM) I just don't see Dioner being THAT much better than Flowers. If they dumped Flowers I would imagine there's a bigger offensive acquisition incoming via trade. They'll probably save a million or two bringing Navarro in using saved money towards another player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Avila/whoever else they get could simply be a placeholder for a bigger addition that the Sox will trade for like someone said above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 08:00 PM) We're no longer deciding on what to do!!! Turner the corner baby!....ok maybe not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 It's Navaro. Has to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 07:01 PM) They'll probably save a million or two bringing Navarro in using saved money towards another player. I agree. If he has one lined up, Navarro is the guy who clearly is the better bat. If they stay healthy, he and Avila should be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 07:01 PM) That's my hope too. Young, good potential...that sort of thing. Sox aren't winning anything in 2016, so set up for 2017-2019 as best they can. Good...when are we trading Sale,Q and Abreu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 08:00 PM) Of course you told all of us last season Flowers wouldn't hit .200, and reminded us of that when you bumped your post when he dipped below. Now it makes no sense to you that he gets non tendered and the White Sox upgrade their offense. I know it doesn't make sense in your world where you have to rigidly stick to your original opinion, but people are allowed to change their minds as new information comes out. I have been convinced by the arguments of the pitch framing advocates, and thus changed my mind as to the value of players like Flowers. I'm not saying I'm completely devastated he's been non-tendered, just that I probably wouldn't have done it (admittedly saying this before I've seen the replacement plan), or, if I did do it, would have non-tendered Avi as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 So I'm expecting some news shortly. Obviously it's Navarro with what Hahn said and then Passan says it's a fit. Just putting two and two together seems like that's it. At least there's something to discuss now. It's been killing me with the silence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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