Whisox05 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 07:30 PM) Sale loved throwing to Flowers, wonder how he feels about this I'm sure he will take a better offense and chance of winning then throwing to flowers who's a hole on offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 This is all so weird. I guess i'll reserve judgement until it becomes known who is being added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 02:30 AM) Sale loved throwing to Flowers, wonder how he feels about this Based on how he performed last year, I think a new personal catcher might help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Well definitely didn't see this coming. Wonder what Hahn has up his sleeve... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 OH NOOOO whatever shall the Sox do without the #2 pitch framer in all of baseball and Chris Sales personal catcher ?!?! HAHAHAHA BS like I've said all along on both counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 05:30 PM) I think it is Navarro. 2013 the Sox were handing the keys to Flowers. I don't think not pursing him them applies today. Absolutely makes the most sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 08:26 PM) Flowers framing was ignored by you when you had his batting average on your mind, now it is the most important thing around. I liked his framing as much as anyone, but cmon man. It is Tyler Flowers. No one wanted to take him off Hahns hands for a 25 year old A ballet. I've pretty much already addressed this in my previous comment, so I'll just link it up again. QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 08:05 PM) I know it doesn't make sense in your world where you have to rigidly stick to your original opinion, but people are allowed to change their minds as new information comes out. I have been convinced by the arguments of the pitch framing advocates, and thus changed my mind as to the value of players like Flowers. I'm not saying I'm completely devastated he's been non-tendered, just that I probably wouldn't have done it (admittedly saying this before I've seen the replacement plan), or, if I did do it, would have non-tendered Avi as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 07:53 PM) I've pretty much already addressed this in my previous comment, so I'll just link it up again. New information didn't come out. Flowers was known as a good framer when you were complaining about him. You just "change your mind" because the White Sox dumped him. A chronic whiner, now complaining Tyler Flowers is gone. In the last 2 days people have complained the White Sox are selling an organ for charity instead of having it in a glass case at a ballpark they don't go to, and now the guy who rides Flowers is complaining they let him go. Edited December 3, 2015 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 05:26 PM) Flowers framing was ignored by you when you had his batting average on your mind, now it is the most important thing around. I liked his framing as much as anyone, but cmon man. It is Tyler Flowers. No one wanted to take him off Hahns hands for a 25 year old A ballet. You touted his pitch framing more than anyone on here and always seemed like Flowers biggest supporter. You never seem to pick any side of the fence to stand on. Keep playing both sides of the fence ,Dick ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 08:03 PM) You touted his pitch framing more than anyone on here and always seemed like Flowers biggest supporter. You never seem to pick any side of the fence to stand on. Keep playing both sides of the fence ,Dick ! This is textbook DA, he's a bonafide troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 08:03 PM) You touted his pitch framing more than anyone on here and always seemed like Flowers biggest supporter. You never seem to pick any side of the fence to stand on. Keep playing both sides of the fence ,Dick ! I did. I also mentioned as much in this thread. But it is Tyler Flowers. He isn't the worst player in the world, but it isn't like his loss is going to cost the team titles. I have been pointing out Flowers wasn't the biggest problem on the White Sox. He does have his positives. Not playing both sides of the fence at all. I just don't froth at the mouth saying so and so is the worst all the time. They think they have an upgrade, fine by me. If Feeky was running the team, he wouldn't have non tendered Flowers. He would have already been gone. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...;show=&st=0 Edited December 3, 2015 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 08:06 PM) This is textbook DA, he's a bonafide troll. Right, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord chas Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Lucroy is coming to the southside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (lord chas @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 08:20 PM) Lucroy is coming to the southside Is this just a prediction or do you know something that everyone else doesn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (lord chas @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 08:20 PM) Lucroy is coming to the southside Please don't tease us. It's just not nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 08:21 PM) Is this just a prediction or do you know something that everyone else doesn't? Likely prediction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 http://www.baseballprospectus.com/sortable...php?cid=1819098 According to WARP (Baseball Prospectus WAR), which incorporates pitch framing, Flowers was worth two WARP last year and ranked 21st in total defensive value in the MLB among all position players. This is my first time getting a look at this stat though, don't know how it compares to rWAR or fWAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) Kind of surprised by this. I kind of liked the idea of a Flower/Avila platoon on paper. Others have beat me to it, but Lucroy is the catcher that instantly popped into my head as a potential trade target. I wonder if Milwaukee would be willing to trade him after the disaster of a season they had this year. Navarro is a slight offensive upgrade over Flowers, but he seems like a stopgap type of player for a position the Sox have zero depth at. Edited December 3, 2015 by CWSpalehoseCWS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord chas Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 08:24 PM) Likely prediction. I don't want to sound like Bernstein and make baseless rumors based on "sources" But hearing through my buddy that the main sticking point to this deal going through is that the Brewers want Anderson. I guess we will all find out soon enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I would be very nervous about getting Lucroy after his head injury last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (lord chas @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 08:31 PM) I don't want to sound like Bernstein and make baseless rumors based on "sources" But hearing through my buddy that the main sticking point to this deal going through is that the Brewers want Anderson. I guess we will all find out soon enough That would be stupid of us to give up Anderson Edited December 3, 2015 by BigHurt3515 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 08:33 PM) That would be stupid of use to give up Anderson This is exactly why I wanted catcher to be the last position we address. Way too expensive for its offensive production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Can't say I'd be a fan of an Anderson/LuCroy swap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 08:33 PM) I would be very nervous about getting Lucroy after his head injury last year Agreed, we're also really not in position to sell the farm for guys who only have 2 years remaining on their contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Jean Segura involved too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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