ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I'm super anxious to see what the corresponding move to this will be....hopefully Hahn doesn't f*** this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 10:40 PM) I'm super anxious to see what the corresponding move to this will be....hopefully Hahn doesn't f*** this up. I'm eagerly awaiting it also. I think if it was a FA it'd be done already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 Already a few minutes into the podcast and there's a few issues I can point out. 1. They are probably overblowing how much "help" Chris Sale needs in regards to pitch framing. 2. There are most definitely young catching prospects available. That doesnt mean they'll be cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 09:29 PM) https://audioboom.com/boos/3899718-south-si...e-tyler-flowers That's some irrational emotion right there. It's freakin Tyler Flowers, and obviously something else is coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 09:44 PM) That's some irrational emotion right there. It's freakin Tyler Flowers, and obviously something else is coming. It's dumb. They are acting like there is no one else available but him or the few free agents they mentioned(plus the guys on our roster for some reason). Second they keep asking what is Rick Hahn thinking because of pitch framing blah blah. Well I have a pretty good idea. Probably went something like this " His offense and defensive ability are liabilities(blocking balls and throwing out runners)...maybe we can get X player and improve in those two areas. Yeah we may lose some of the pitch framing value. But the overall lineup will be better. What a novel concept. Also Tyler Flowers may signal a rebuild? Huh? Edited December 3, 2015 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Lol I couldn't believe how much they were freaking out...like we just traded Chris Sale or something. This team has so many holes one more isn't sinking this ship lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Or who knows, maybe they didn't like how he called games when Sale pitched Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Dan Hayes @CSNHayes Right after Tyler Flowers was non-tendered, scout: "He should tell them thank you. Bet he gets more than his arb raise in this market." This is the main reason that it makes no sense. Chances are excellent that the guy they replace Flowers with is either worse or similarly bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 03:52 AM) Dan Hayes @CSNHayes Right after Tyler Flowers was non-tendered, scout: "He should tell them thank you. Bet he gets more than his arb raise in this market." This is the main reason that it makes no sense. Chances are excellent that the guy they replace Flowers with is either worse or similarly bad. They clearly are looking for more offense from the catching position. Sounds good to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 If you have an issue with this move, put down the keyboard. I didn't know he had knee surgery and at his age and size I'm glad they're cutting bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 We can't make any sense of this until we see what who the Sox replace Flowers with. I'm really starting to think the catcher will come in a trade. Been wrong before though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) That guy running the podcast sounds like a spaz. Also he can't pronounce Avila or Faust, so he can buzz off. Edited December 3, 2015 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Not too many Sox podcasts around so I posted it. Like I said, it was ridiculous. I listened but cringed at how mad they were. Is it Aveea or AviLA? Always thought AviLA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Wow, I did not see that coming. I like Navarro's bat but is the upgrade worth a potential defensive downgrade? Or am I wrong about his defensive abilities vs. Flowers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 10:06 PM) Wow, I did not see that coming. I like Navarro's bat but is the upgrade worth a potential defensive downgrade? Or am I wrong about his defensive abilities vs. Flowers? Good point. Rick Hahn never misses a chance to make a marginal offensive improvement at the cost of defensive value, only to see that offense diminish and defense stay terrible during their tenure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 10:04 PM) Not too many Sox podcasts around so I posted it. Like I said, it was ridiculous. I listened but cringed at how mad they were. Is it Aveea or AviLA? Always thought AviLA aVEEla. His dad goes by AHveela. Not the double L sound because it's not a double L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Rejoice. Thank you, God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 I thought Ken Rosenthal's latest article would have something about our next catcher...nope....it's about trading Chris Sale...again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 11:29 PM) I thought Ken Rosenthal's latest article would have something about our next catcher...nope....it's about trading Chris Sale...again National media wants him on a contender. F 'em Rick let's grant their wish and build a frappin' contender! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 10:09 PM) Good point. Rick Hahn never misses a chance to make a marginal offensive improvement at the cost of defensive value, only to see that offense diminish and defense stay terrible during their tenure. For example? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I'm going to throw out Plawecki. Got to think they're adding a younger catcher if they're willing to non-tender Flowers, given the uncertainty at the position for 2017 & forward. I think an Avi for Plawecki swap makes a lot of sense for both clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I wouldn't really say Tyler Flowers has defensive value.. pitch framing metrics liked him but how much of this can be attributed to the fact that he had Sale and Quintana who have pretty spot on control throwing to him 2/5 days a week? Other than that I remember him as being clunky and bad behind the plate with a horrible arm.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 11:02 PM) I wouldn't really say Tyler Flowers has defensive value.. pitch framing metrics liked him but how much of this can be attributed to the fact that he had Sale and Quintana who have pretty spot on control throwing to him 2/5 days a week? Other than that I remember him as being clunky and bad behind the plate with a horrible arm.. 100% agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 11:02 PM) I'm going to throw out Plawecki. Got to think they're adding a younger catcher if they're willing to non-tender Flowers, given the uncertainty at the position for 2017 & forward. I think an Avi for Plawecki swap makes a lot of sense for both clubs. I like your idea. Pairing a young catcher with Avila makes sense. I could see the Mets having some interest in Micah too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 12:02 AM) I wouldn't really say Tyler Flowers has defensive value.. pitch framing metrics liked him but how much of this can be attributed to the fact that he had Sale and Quintana who have pretty spot on control throwing to him 2/5 days a week? Other than that I remember him as being clunky and bad behind the plate with a horrible arm.. I agree. If all you can say is he's good at pitch framing then he's just not worth it. It's not like Flowers could wipe out a teams running game like Sal Perez can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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