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Is there a club who holds their cards closer to the vest than Sox?


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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 07:40 PM)
Genuine question. It sure seems like you see fewer rumors, leaks and statements from the White Sox than any other team. And it seems people know far less about the direction they are taking, than other teams.

 

Is there another MLB team at the Sox level on this? If so, whom?

 

i think 2 additional only b/c when it is known they want to move on someone, they do it quickly and many seems to be caught flat footed.

 

Oak and Atl. then i will put the sox up there.

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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 01:55 PM)
Are we really that different from any other team? That's a serious question but I feel like it's not exactly the smartest move to not play your cards close to the vest.

Oh I think all teams want to do that. The Sox just seem better at it. I haven't done a statistical sampling or anything, but it seems with most teams, the media are all aware of the direction they are going, and seem to know a lot about what players they are on. For Sox, there are a few here and there, but most of the time we don't hear much until it is done.

 

Could be my biased perspective, that's why I asked.

 

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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 01:58 PM)
Oh I think all teams want to do that. The Sox just seem better at it. I haven't done a statistical sampling or anything, but it seems with most teams, the media are all aware of the direction they are going, and seem to know a lot about what players they are on. For Sox, there are a few here and there, but most of the time we don't hear much until it is done.

 

Could be my biased perspective, that's why I asked.

That's fair. I'm not tuned in enough to other teams to give a good answer. Glad I could help. :lol:

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I don't think the Sox are any better at it than anyone else. The difference in the Sox is that there is a lack of national media scrutiny and speculation around the club because they are just not that interesting to the majority of baseball fans. They aren't a playoff team, aren't one of the big TV draws, so they pretty much are left to the local media to try and build speculation around what they will do. I can't think of a team that is more transparent than the Sox either, the reason it seems that they are so tight lipped is because we are all focused on them.

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I think the Sox are transparent as far as their needs but as far as potential trades/signings they definitely fly under the radar but that can be said about alot of teams. I think it feels like the Sox are more secretive because we as fans are more focused on all things Sox related first and foremost.

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I actually think the Sox are more transparent than plenty of organizations. This isn't as lose as the org was back in the Guillen era (when we probably were the least discreet club on the planet) but since I have 3 non-white sox teams in the general vicinity of me, I'd tell you the Sox transparency is no different than that of the Angels / Padres / Dodgers.

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QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 04:48 PM)
i don't understand???

The Sox apparently had a deal in place to trade for Cabrera 7-8 years ago (whichever offseason he was traded). Guillen blabbed about it before it happened. Detroit heard this, and offered the Marlins a better package for him, which they accepted.

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QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 10:50 PM)
The Sox apparently had a deal in place to trade for Cabrera 7-8 years ago (whichever offseason he was traded). Guillen blabbed about it before it happened. Detroit heard this, and offered the Marlins a better package for him, which they accepted.

 

that is correct i remember that as well, sorry, i didn't know you referred to that.

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QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 11:53 PM)
You also have to take into account that given where the Cubs are at, and how poor the Sox have been the last 5-6 years, I just don't think the Sox are a hot topic at all in Chicago. Obviously there are beat reporters and such, but I think from a main stream journalist, talk show host, ect, there is more in it for them to hunt down Cubs nuggets.

 

Perfectly said

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 05:04 PM)
Seemed like basically everyone had the parameters of a Samardzija deal down last year early enough for me to spend a couple days saying how terrible of an idea that deal was before it happened.

It's really a shame that the Sox didn't consult you before making this trade. A pitcher who is seemingly on the upswing of his career all of a sudden having the worst year of his career is incredibly difficult to predict. You are owed many kudos for knowing that this was going to happen. Good guess.

 

Besides that nonsense, there are times I feel that the Sox play close to the vest, and other times I don't. I was pretty surprised news leaked of Avi Garcia being available. That seems like something that wouldn't be leaked.

 

KW's old mantra was "flying under the radar". There's a bit less of that now, I feel like we hear more then we used to despite the lack of interest from the local and national media. There's most likely a good balance between flying under the radar, and having public information, and since Rick Hahn has become our GM, I feel like he's making an effort to find that balance.

 

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QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 12:24 AM)
It's really a shame that the Sox didn't consult you before making this trade. A pitcher who is seemingly on the upswing of his career all of a sudden having the worst year of his career is incredibly difficult to predict. You are owed many kudos for knowing that this was going to happen. Good guess.

A 73 win team trading 4 players, 3 of whom would have helped the team (the fourth a prospect) for a 1-year rent, is not well-conceived, even had Samardzija pitched as people thought.

I guess the Sox thought they could contend, but that was howling at the moon. Hopefully they are more sensible this off-season.

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QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 04:20 PM)
A 73 win team trading 4 players, 3 of whom would have helped the team (the fourth a prospect) for a 1-year rent, is not well-conceived, even had Samardzija pitched as people thought.

I guess the Sox thought they could contend, but that was howling at the moon. Hopefully they are more sensible this off-season.

Yep, this.^

 

The Sox banked on Samardzija pitching well and that they could extend Samardzija despite his insisting on going to FA. Oops!

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QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 11:20 PM)
A 73 win team trading 4 players, 3 of whom would have helped the team (the fourth a prospect) for a 1-year rent, is not well-conceived, even had Samardzija pitched as people thought.

I guess the Sox thought they could contend, but that was howling at the moon. Hopefully they are more sensible this off-season.

 

many of us fans were drinking that kool-aid for the sox winning 80+ games and makiing the playoff. i remember that some was even thinking of it being a good trade off to get him on the roster for the playoff. 3 strong sp's danks and hector..... well it didn't happen and the gamble failed miserably.

 

don't get me wrong, i too was in the crowd....

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 04:50 PM)
Yep, this.^

 

The Sox banked on Samardzija pitching well and that they could extend Samardzija despite his insisting on going to FA. Oops!

It didn't work out but the guy complaining doesn't like Lwrie because of his .300 OBP, but seems to think Semien and his .304 OBP with less power and 38 errors was tough to lose. Phew let is a catcher who cannot catch, and had some attitude issues. Bassist seems like the biggest loss to me, but the Sox have a First round pick and a lottery ticket in Ynoa.

 

I didn't like the trade because I never thought much of the Shark. But if he pitched anywhere near what they thought, and the team actually played well, it would have been fine.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 04:55 PM)
It didn't work out but the guy complaining doesn't like Lwrie because of his .300 OBP, but seems to think Semien and his .304 OBP with less power and 38 errors was tough to lose. Phew let is a catcher who cannot catch, and had some attitude issues. Bassist seems like the biggest loss to me, but the Sox have a First round pick and a lottery ticket in Ynoa.

 

I didn't like the trade because I never thought much of the Shark. But if he pitched anywhere near what they thought, and the team actually played well, it would have been fine.

I didn't like the idea myself because of Samardzija, his impending FA and that was before the trade. Also didn't like giving up Bassitt or Ravelo but s*** happens I suppose. Despite not agreeing with it, I understand the logic behind the trade since the Sox truely believed they would be contenders but things didn't work. No way could anyone could have envisioned so many things going wrong on so many levels.

 

 

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 06:07 PM)
I didn't like the idea myself because of Samardzija, his impending FA and that was before the trade. Also didn't like giving up Bassitt or Ravelo but s*** happens I suppose. Despite not agreeing with it, I understand the logic behind the trade since the Sox truely believed they would be contenders but things didn't work. No way could anyone could have envisioned so many things going wrong on so many levels.

I know, I know, thread derailment. The bolded is completely false.

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