Harry Chappas Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 04:41 PM) David KaplanVerified account @thekapman That lines up with what my source told me earlier this afternoon that Lackey wanted to be here with Lester, Ross and Theo. Amazing how the media kisses Theo's ass Lines up with the fact nobody was parting with $32M for him...somehow with the cub defense and his age, I don't see this move working out really well. Media will spin it as something greater than what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 10:44 PM) As long as he's nowhere close to a White Sox uniform when the season starts and dominates the Cubs on whatever team he signs with, I'll be happy. Happy that Samardzija's not going to the Cubs, as that would have really been annoying if he went back there and pitched well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 10:45 PM) Lines up with the fact nobody was parting with $32M for him...somehow with the cub defense and his age, I don't see this move working out really well. Media will spin it as something greater than what it is. Yep, have fun pitching there with the wind blowing out during the summer months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 04:38 PM) The draft pick for a 37 year old is something that would have turned me off as well. I hear you guys but the Cubs believe they are going for it next year. They have to be willing to do some NOW deals if they want to get to that ultimate goal right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 04:43 PM) Seen a few places the Cardinals might go after Samardzija now Makes a lot of sense and I would love it if it worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 04:45 PM) I hear you guys but the Cubs believe they are going for it next year. They have to be willing to do some NOW deals if they want to get to that ultimate goal right away. Also true. Not to mention that they have all these position players locked up for 8 million years that I'm sure in their minds they can lose one pick and be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 I just hope that the Cubs keeping losing in the next few years when their core is young and cheap. They'll be f***ed when Lester is at the end of his deal, Arrieta is expensive, and all their young guys are older and more expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 04:47 PM) And if I was a Cubs fan, I'd be fully on board with that. It's time. I think everyone agrees on this but I am not certain this move makes them all that much better if this is their added arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Yeah the system is deep enough. They can spare a draft pick this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 04:48 PM) I think everyone agrees on this but I am not certain this move makes them all that much better if this is their added arm. Don't think they're done personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friend of Nordhagen Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Wasn't one of Theo's huge mistakes in Boston, at least considered so at the time, signing Lackey to a huge contract and then having him completely suck? (Then Lackey was good after Theo left, if I remember correctly.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 11:50 PM) Don't think they're done personally. Theo today said they'd sign a FA pitcher and trade for one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Lackey is 37 but he did put up a 3.6 fWAR last year. I think he'll end up being their #4 starter. That's solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friend of Nordhagen Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 05:53 PM) Lackey is 37 but he did put up a 3.6 fWAR last year. I think he'll end up being their #4 starter. That's solid. Especially with Greinke and Price as the 2 and 3. Wait. You're telling me that didn't happen? Someone tell Maddon that he's not quite the draw that his enormous ego no doubt thinks he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 This is my favorite quote that I've seen so far regarding the Lackey signing. Maybe the Cubs even get by the Mets if they had him last year. Good signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Lackey can play LF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friend of Nordhagen Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 05:58 PM) Lackey can play LF? Sure. He's like a faster, more svelte Schwarber who doesn't belly-flop singles into triples while being widely considered "not that bad out there." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Not a horrible deal seeing as how its only for two years but giving up a comp pick to their division rivals is what cracks me up. Two years of Lackey buys them time to develop his replacement I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 04:43 PM) Please let this mean Ross is his personal catcher also! He's the opposing teams favorite catcher. He's just awful at this stage. I think this is a decent signing even with the draft pick although that does dull it down a bit. So basically what we should probably want is Shark not to sign there right? Because we'll get their second round pick now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 06:03 PM) He's the opposing teams favorite catcher. He's just awful at this stage. I think this is a decent signing even with the draft pick although that does dull it down a bit. So basically what we should probably want is Shark not to sign there right? Because we'll get their second round pick now. That's not how it works any more. The Cubs would lose their 2nd round pick but the White Sox would still be in the compensatory round between 1 and 2. This deal could well make more sense if it's not the only QO'd FA they sign, where they're losing a couple picks and saying heck with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 05:06 PM) That's not how it works any more. The Cubs would lose their 2nd round pick but the White Sox would still be in the compensatory round between 1 and 2. This deal could well make more sense if it's not the only QO'd FA they sign, where they're losing a couple picks and saying heck with it. I think they trade for a starter and then sign Gordon or Heyward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 If they can sign Gordon and then swing a trade for a Shelby Miller I thinks thats one hell of an off season for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 05:06 PM) That's not how it works any more. The Cubs would lose their 2nd round pick but the White Sox would still be in the compensatory round between 1 and 2. This deal could well make more sense if it's not the only QO'd FA they sign, where they're losing a couple picks and saying heck with it. Thanks. Good deal. I dont see why they shouldnt just try and load up a few of those free agents at this point. Probably should bring Fowler back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 06:18 PM) Thanks. Good deal. I dont see why they shouldnt just try and load up a few of those free agents at this point. Probably should bring Fowler back. FWIW, this deal puts the Cubs close to $140m in commits next year. The highest opening day payroll they've had on record was $146m, back in 2010. With the stadium renovations/extra advertising and a big boost in shared revenues since then, plus a packed ballpark and some ticket price gradual increases, they probably still have substantial room to add next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 05:27 PM) FWIW, this deal puts the Cubs close to $140m in commits next year. The highest opening day payroll they've had on record was $146m, back in 2010. With the stadium renovations/extra advertising and a big boost in shared revenues since then, plus a packed ballpark and some ticket price gradual increases, they probably still have substantial room to add next year. I'm assuming they are still having some dialogue with Shark and Jason Heyward. Not sure they can sign both but I dont expect them to be out of the loop on those guys. Edited December 4, 2015 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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