StrangeSox Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 11:16 AM) I just think people want to be respectful of other religions and cultures. No one is trying to make everyone the same or stop Christmas. Such an overreaction. Yeah, I don't think it's "caving" over some expected blowback from the PC POLICE! It's just choosing to not be exclusive. Edited December 8, 2015 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Oh, and I love Christmas despite my modern beliefs...because it's pretty...and makes s***ty drab winters look and feel a lot better...and I like being nice to people and buying them things, and it gives me a great excuse to do so. Edited December 8, 2015 by Y2HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Didn't expect this to turn into the war on christmas thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 11:40 AM) Didn't expect this to turn into the war on christmas thread. Then stop waging war on Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Why is Christmas a Federal holiday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 12:28 PM) Google "the war on Christmas". Yes people get upset when things are renamed to be "holiday" parties, parades, plays, etc... instead of "Christmas". No, I think people understand that adults get upset about this. I think people struggle with WHY they get upset about it. What about me telling someone Happy Holidays drives them to such rage? Recognizing that there might be kids from other cultural and religious backgrounds in a public school seems pretty harmless to me. In fact, NSS' experience seems pretty ideal to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwritecode Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 04:01 PM) No, I think people understand that adults get upset about this. I think people struggle with WHY they get upset about it. What about me telling someone Happy Holidays drives them to such rage? Recognizing that there might be kids from other cultural and religious backgrounds in a public school seems pretty harmless to me. In fact, NSS' experience seems pretty ideal to me. Because they have this mistaken belief that they are no longer allowed to say Merry Christmas. I'm questioning where that's coming from and why it would be any more harmful than any other greeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 10:30 PM) Because they have this mistaken belief that they are no longer allowed to say Merry Christmas. I'm questioning where that's coming from A persecution complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 05:30 PM) Because they have this mistaken belief that they are no longer allowed to say Merry Christmas. I'm questioning where that's coming from and why it would be any more harmful than any other greeting. They are the same people who think there is a war on Christianity in this country. Why do they think there is a war on Christianity? Because they can't discriminate against LGBT folks. Because they have to acknowledge that they live and work with people of other cultures and faiths. Because they have to acknowledge that there is a separation of church and state. Crimson hit the nail on the head. It's a persecution complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 10:30 PM) Because they have this mistaken belief that they are no longer allowed to say Merry Christmas. I'm questioning where that's coming from and why it would be any more harmful than any other greeting. Have your read your HR handbooks? People are told to NOT say Merry Christmas. You are not supposed to do it. It's Happy Holidays. If Donald Trump wins, at least it's a victory over the PC police. Also what about all the comments from people who have said their kids are in Winter Plays not Christmas plays. You will NOT see mangers and the story of the nativity in any public school I've been around the last 10 years. WE CANNOT OFFEND ANYBODY nowadays. That's why it's cool Trump is going after Muslims. Somebody has to acknowledge all these DEATHS. Of course not all are bad. Of course we shouldn't be beating up people because they are different from us. BUT WE MUST PROTECT THE USA. Trump is right about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 09:50 PM) Have your read your HR handbooks? People are told to NOT say Merry Christmas. You are not supposed to do it. It's Happy Holidays. If Donald Trump wins, at least it's a victory over the PC police. Also what about all the comments from people who have said their kids are in Winter Plays not Christmas plays. You will NOT see mangers and the story of the nativity in any public school I've been around the last 10 years. WE CANNOT OFFEND ANYBODY nowadays. That's why it's cool Trump is going after Muslims. Somebody has to acknowledge all these DEATHS. Of course not all are bad. Of course we shouldn't be beating up people because they are different from us. BUT WE MUST PROTECT THE USA. Trump is right about that. I'm going on the el tomorrow and telling everyone merry XMAS. I guarantee not one person gets offended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANS Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 10:50 PM) Have your read your HR handbooks? People are told to NOT say Merry Christmas. You are not supposed to do it. It's Happy Holidays. If Donald Trump wins, at least it's a victory over the PC police. Also what about all the comments from people who have said their kids are in Winter Plays not Christmas plays. You will NOT see mangers and the story of the nativity in any public school I've been around the last 10 years. WE CANNOT OFFEND ANYBODY nowadays. That's why it's cool Trump is going after Muslims. Somebody has to acknowledge all these DEATHS. Of course not all are bad. Of course we shouldn't be beating up people because they are different from us. BUT WE MUST PROTECT THE USA. Trump is right about that. so much crap in this post it's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 03:50 AM) You will NOT see mangers and the story of the nativity in any public school I've been around the last 10 years. WE CANNOT OFFEND ANYBODY nowadays. Why should public schools have nativity scenes? You want to indoctrinate kids, Greg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 My company's HR handbook mandates that we all greet each other with "Allahu Ahkbar" each and every morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 09:50 PM) If Donald Trump wins, at least it's a victory over the PC police for racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 http://www.pennlive.com/news/2015/12/namin...cart_river_home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Give them their safe space and some diapers and maybe some free tuition and they can move along with their sorry ass lives... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 you seem pretty upset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (Cknolls @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 10:24 AM) http://www.pennlive.com/news/2015/12/namin...cart_river_home QUOTE (Cknolls @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 10:27 AM) Give them their safe space and some diapers and maybe some free tuition and they can move along with their sorry ass lives... How is that even related to the topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 09:17 AM) Why should public schools have nativity scenes? You want to indoctrinate kids, Greg? To me, Christmas and weddings are pretty similar arguments. Christmas has a religious component (the nativity scene, etc.), and a secular component (basically anything involving Santa and the tree). Just like there is the religious sacrament of matrimony and there's the secular government's recognition of marriage. If I had a kid in school, I'd have no issue with the secular presentation of Christmas, nor of the secular presentation of Hanukah. But I'd have a pretty hard time with the manger scene and other depictions of the baby Jesus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 11:43 AM) To me, Christmas and weddings are pretty similar arguments. Christmas has a religious component (the nativity scene, etc.), and a secular component (basically anything involving Santa and the tree). Just like there is the religious sacrament of matrimony and there's the secular government's recognition of marriage. If I had a kid in school, I'd have no issue with the secular presentation of Christmas, nor of the secular presentation of Hanukah. But I'd have a pretty hard time with the manger scene and other depictions of the baby Jesus... Neither of those are secular. The first christmas trees were created by devout Christians in Germany, and Santa Clause is a legend created off of St. Nicholas...saints are usually connected to religion quite closely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 12:50 PM) Neither of those are secular. The first christmas trees were created by devout Christians in Germany, and Santa Clause is a legend created off of St. Nicholas...saints are usually connected to religion quite closely. They may not have secular origins, but at the very least they have been co-opted as secular symbols now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 11:52 AM) They may not have secular origins, but at the very least they have been co-opted as secular symbols now. I'd allow this argument if this was my court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 The tree was a co-option of pagan winter celebrations and so is the whole gift-giving Santa Claus. Hell, it wasn't until the Victorian era that Christmas really became a big deal at all (thanks, Dickens!), and again it was a co-option of pagan winter solstice festivals. Regardless of the roots, though, Christmas decorations and Santa Claus are still pretty much straight-up secular these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 This...does not sound wise. Gun rights groups to stage mock mass shooting at UT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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