ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I wonder how the Reds view Brandon Phillips. If they view him as a salary dump, I would certainly take him in a package with Frazier. Look at it this way..... Phillips and Zobrist are about the same age. Phillips was 1/2 a win better in 2015 than Zobrist. Zobrist is getting paid $14M over the next 4 season. Phillips is getting paid $13.5M over just the next 2 years. Phillips, despite a down year on defense, is still a solidly above average fielder. In his down year on defense, he was still just as good as Carlos Sanchez was on defense. Phillips would be a pretty substantial upgrade over Sanchez when you consider he gives you the same defense, but a 90 wRC+ versus a 60 wRC+. See what it would take to get Frazier and Phillips and it would give this team a pretty reasonable 2 year window to win before their contracts expire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I would absolutely support an Anderson/Adams/M. Johnson deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 02:58 PM) I would absolutely support an Anderson/Adams/M. Johnson deal For Frazier and Phillips or just Frazier? C. Trent Rosecrans @ctrent 4m4 minutes ago Word I’m hearing is #Reds are shopping Frazier heavily. Makes most sense at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 02:58 PM) I would absolutely support an Anderson/Adams/M. Johnson deal Maybe if Frazier had 3 years of control, but only 2 I say no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 10:00 PM) For Frazier and Phillips or just Frazier? C. Trent Rosecrans @ctrent 4m4 minutes ago Word I’m hearing is #Reds are shopping Frazier heavily. Makes most sense at this point Frazier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 03:02 PM) Frazier Eh, I think that's a pretty steep price. If Cozart was in the deal as well to play SS, I might be fine with that. I don't know, that's a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glangon Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Davidson, Avi and Webb. Get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 For Frazier and Phillips, I would be ok with.... Anderson, Danish, Davidson, and Micah. I would hate to lose Micah, because I like him as a person and I LOVE his athleticism and skill, but we wouldn't have a spot for him, his defense is still suspect, and I feel like the Reds would love the idea of Billy Hamilton and Micah Johnson in the same lineup. That's an unbelievably amount of speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 09:04 PM) Eh, I think that's a pretty steep price. If Cozart was in the deal as well to play SS, I might be fine with that. I don't know, that's a lot. Yeah, that's the extent I'd be comfortable, and realize it's an overpay. Sadly, everything seems to be an overpay now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 09:05 PM) For Frazier and Phillips, I would be ok with.... Anderson, Danish, Davidson, and Micah. I would hate to lose Micah, because I like him as a person and I LOVE his athleticism and skill, but we wouldn't have a spot for him, his defense is still suspect, and I feel like the Reds would love the idea of Billy Hamilton and Micah Johnson in the same lineup. That's an unbelievably amount of speed. Just seems like the organization lost all faith in Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (glangon @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 01:04 PM) Davidson, Avi and Webb. Get it done. The Sox have acquired Glenn frazier. Maybe he can play...but they aren't even answering a phone call with that offer, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (glangon @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 10:04 PM) Davidson, Avi and Webb. Get it done. Looks like 3 members of the 2019 Newark Bears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 03:06 PM) Just seems like the organization lost all faith in Johnson. If he can't stay healthy, there isn't much reason to have faith in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 04:06 PM) The Sox have acquired Glenn frazier. Maybe he can play...but they aren't even answering a phone call with that offer, imo. No kidding lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 03:06 PM) Just seems like the organization lost all faith in Johnson. I agree. Sanchez also showed life with the bat in the 2nd half, plus his defense is elite. I do believe Micah is on the block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 03:05 PM) Yeah, that's the extent I'd be comfortable, and realize it's an overpay. Sadly, everything seems to be an overpay now. I know this has been discussed a bunch in the Shelby Miller thread, but if this is the environment, perhaps the Sox should stop trying to patch together a playoff team next year and get on the right side of all the overpays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 10:07 PM) If he can't field, there isn't much reason to have faith in him. Another version fixed for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 03:09 PM) I know this has been discussed a bunch in the Shelby Miller thread, but if this is the environment, perhaps the Sox should stop trying to patch together a playoff team next year and get on the right side of all the overpays. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 03:09 PM) I know this has been discussed a bunch in the Shelby Miller thread, but if this is the environment, perhaps the Sox should stop trying to patch together a playoff team next year and get on the right side of all the overpays. I feel this way as well. We have 15 WAR deficit. We don't have the money or the excess talent to cover it and keep our core. Brett Lawrie is nice, but it's a place where we covered a talent deficit with a marginal upgrade. We need shots at elite upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 03:12 PM) +1 Like seriously. It's not too late. All we've done is sign two cheap catchers to one year deals and traded I-don't-even-remember-who for Tommy Kahnle. It's not too late to pivot. KENNY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 The problem is the White Sox don't want to give up their best prospects so Frazier won't be a White Sox. At some point, assuming he just doesn't fall apart, some team will give Cincinatti Tim Anderson's equal or better. The White Sox really aren't in a position to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 09:20 PM) The problem is the White Sox don't want to give up their best prospects so Frazier won't be a White Sox. At some point, assuming he just doesn't fall apart, some team will give Cincinatti Tim Anderson's equal or better. The White Sox really aren't in a position to do that. I like Anderson as a prospect more than most, but he's not a "can't miss" type guy. If he has that much value right now, I don't mind cashing him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 03:24 PM) I like Anderson as a prospect more than most, but he's not a "can't miss" type guy. If he has that much value right now, I don't mind cashing him in. He's not can't miss, but he is getting closer, and he plays a position of need. If Saladino showed he would be a decent hitter, I could see trading him, but no matter what, if they do trade him and he turns out to be a good player, KW is going to be called a lot of names. The White Sox need to add young talent, not subtract it. Frazier is probably a 2 year thing. Then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 03:31 PM) He's not can't miss, but he is getting closer, and he plays a position of need. If Saladino showed he would be a decent hitter, I could see trading him, but no matter what, if they do trade him and he turns out to be a good player, KW is going to be called a lot of names. The White Sox need to add young talent, not subtract it. Frazier is probably a 2 year thing. Then what? Then in 2 years we make a trade with Arizona and replenish our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 03:58 PM) Then in 2 years we make a trade with Arizona and replenish our team. All their prospects will be gone. GMs are lining up outside Dave Stewart's suite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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