White Sox targeting OF Justin Upton

[Dick Allen]

i really wasn't going to rant but screw it ..

 

i agree ... this is nothing but a pr move, quasi kw and the owners. this is the full 20 mil plus the sox wanted to spend. it is just to compete for headline news against the northside team with kris bryant and rizzo and that rookie, i do not have time to look at his spelling of his name.

 

pr move to hope to bring in the excitement or to compete for it in the media. are they really that shortsighted in their thinking, do they really think that less of the sox fans on not being intelligent to see this????

 

they will maybe make a token gesture and maybe get lawrie.

 

there are options out there.

Wait a minute. You have been calling for the team to open its purse strings. Now if they do you are going to rant? Upton is obviously one of the better offensive players available. Still reasonably young. Isn't this the exact type of move you have been calling on the team to make?

[Bob Sacamano]

I agree they probably won't sign him.

[LDF]

Wait a minute. You have been calling for the team to open its purse strings. Now if they do you are going to rant? Upton is obviously one of the better offensive players available. Still reasonably young. Isn't this the exact type of move you have been calling on the team to make?

 

yes i have and i haven't step back from that. ... open the purse strings to do multiple transaction if they would be willing to go in the 140 mil salary. but that is not going to happen. they already mention 20 mil increase.

 

now look at the reasoning on this rumor??? for what reason??? does this move fix all of the holes the sox have??? what resources will it take to go out and get a 3b if they do, after they sign upton???

 

the sox will not go anymore than 120 mil salary.

 

so again, why spend all your allowance on this one move??

Edited December 7, 2015 by LDF

[Soxfest]

No to Upton want no part of him on the Sox.

Edited December 7, 2015 by Soxfest

[Dick Allen]

yes i have and i haven't step back from that. ... open the purse strings to do multiple transaction if they would be willing to go in the 140 mil salary. but that is not going to happen. they already mention 20 mil increase.

 

now look at the reasoning on this rumor??? for what reason??? does this move fix all of the holes the sox have??? what resources will it take to go out and get a 3b if they do, after they sign upton???

 

the sox will not go anymore than 120 mil salary.

 

so again, why spend all your allowance on this one move??

I think they have more money to play with than a lot of people want to assume. Some current players are getting increases, but between the 2 catchers signing and the players who are now off the books, Samedzija, Alexei, Beckham. Soto, Bonafacio, Keppinger, Noeisi, Guerra, Flowers they are at about -$30 million from last year before those increases.

 

When they acquired Samardzija, they wanted to sign him long term, so they had to have funds available.

 

I don't know why you and at least one other poster assumes no way over $120 million. They were at $119 last year, and payroll usually goes up.

Edited December 7, 2015 by Dick Allen

[Chicago White Sox]

I think they have more money to play with than a lot of people want to assume. Some current players are getting increases, but between the 2 catchers signing and the players who are now off the books, Samedzija, Alexei, Beckham. Soto, Bonafacio, Keppinger, Noeisi, Guerra, Flowers they are at about -$30 million from last year before those increases.

 

When they acquired Samardzija, they wanted to sign him long term, so they had to have funds available.

 

I don't know why you and at least one other poster assumes no way over $120 million. They were at $119 last year, and payroll usually goes up.

Yep, no one here has any idea what our payroll will be next year, but the Upton rumor suggests it might be a lot higher than most people here are expecting.

 

Also, for those people against signing Upton because of the QO, how do you expect to add an impact otherwise? We don't any prospects in the system that are even close to being options and trade candidates are going to cost a lot more than a draft pick. I get it sucks to lose the pick, but from a talent perspective, it's probably one of the cheaper ways to add an impact bat.

[Y2Jimmy0]

I have been one of the biggest detractors to giving up draft picks of any kind. I feel like if they were going to do this they should have just traded Shark. I am draft fan and some of it is me selfishly wanting to be entertained on draft night. If the White Sox gave up a pick in the 20's for Ian Desmond or Daniel Murphy I'd be furious. I don't think anyone should be upset for doing it for Upton though. Upton was a 3.6 WAR player last year playing in the Cavernous PetCo Park. He would immediately upgrade the White Sox biggest area of need (RF) with a 28 power bat. If they are willing to spend, he's probably the guy. The benefits to having the draft pick are more related to flexibility in my opinion than the actual player taken. The player taken with the 25th pick in the draft will probably never be as good as Upton. It's not that simple though. If the Sox have 3 picks on the first night of June's draft, I'll be happy about it. If Justin Upton is the White Sox starting RF on Opening Day though, I'd be happy about that too.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

I have been one of the biggest detractors to giving up draft picks of any kind. I feel like if they were going to do this they should have just traded Shark. I am draft fan and some of it is me selfishly wanting to be entertained on draft night. If the White Sox gave up a pick in the 20's for Ian Desmond or Daniel Murphy I'd be furious. I don't think anyone should be upset for doing it for Upton though. Upton was a 3.6 WAR player last year playing in the Cavernous PetCo Park. He would immediately upgrade the White Sox biggest area of need (RF) with a 28 power bat. If they are willing to spend, he's probably the guy. The benefits to having the draft pick are more related to flexibility in my opinion than the actual player taken. The player taken with the 25th pick in the draft will probably never be as good as Upton. It's not that simple though. If the Sox have 3 picks on the first night of June's draft, I'll be happy about it. If Justin Upton is the White Sox starting RF on Opening Day though, I'd be happy about that too.

 

I've sort of been waiting for something like what you said about wanting to be entertained on draft night.

 

I've always thought some of us on here love draft choices but once those picks go through the system they get picked apart and ultimately are deemed worthless in trades.

 

I know it seems strange to love the draft picks but hate our prospects but that's how it seems to be set up. I know the years it takes to go through the system determine how good of a prospect the draft pick turns out to be but it really seems like we value other teams prospects more than our own . I know the Sox have trouble developing position players so that's the most likely culprit but it just seems so odd wanting the picks when odds are those picks don't turn into useful players ,not only for the Sox ,but for other organizations as well.

[Dick Allen]

I have been one of the biggest detractors to giving up draft picks of any kind. I feel like if they were going to do this they should have just traded Shark. I am draft fan and some of it is me selfishly wanting to be entertained on draft night. If the White Sox gave up a pick in the 20's for Ian Desmond or Daniel Murphy I'd be furious. I don't think anyone should be upset for doing it for Upton though. Upton was a 3.6 WAR player last year playing in the Cavernous PetCo Park. He would immediately upgrade the White Sox biggest area of need (RF) with a 28 power bat. If they are willing to spend, he's probably the guy. The benefits to having the draft pick are more related to flexibility in my opinion than the actual player taken. The player taken with the 25th pick in the draft will probably never be as good as Upton. It's not that simple though. If the Sox have 3 picks on the first night of June's draft, I'll be happy about it. If Justin Upton is the White Sox starting RF on Opening Day though, I'd be happy about that too.

Yes. If ultimately they sign Upton and lose the pick, the Shark deadline "trade" would be for a very highly paid Justin Upton, which also gets Avi off the field. So even those still pissed Shark wasn't traded at the deadline would have to back down a bit.

[Bob Sacamano]

Yes. If ultimately they sign Upton and lose the pick, the Shark deadline "trade" would be for a very highly paid Justin Upton, which also gets Avi off the field. So even those still pissed Shark wasn't traded at the deadline would have to back down a bit.

 

Yeah and it's not like we wouldn't lose a draft pick if we signed Upton after trading him. We would lose second round still.

[hogan873]

So if the Sox sign Upton, what is the likely scenario with Garcia? Do they trade him? Does he have options left to be sent down?

[Dick Allen]

So if the Sox sign Upton, what is the likely scenario with Garcia? Do they trade him? Does he have options left to be sent down?

I think he can be sent down, but I think it is more likely he would move on. The Sox don't want to pay guys $2 million to play at Charlotte.

 

Maybe there is someone somewhere who can figure out a way to get Avi to recognize pitches. He works hard, but until he changes some things up, it seems his star is dimming quickly.

 

Still, Upton has to be considered unlikely I would assume.

Edited December 7, 2015 by Dick Allen

[Bob Sacamano]

So if the Sox sign Upton, what is the likely scenario with Garcia? Do they trade him? Does he have options left to be sent down?

 

He has one.

[Chicago White Sox]

I have been one of the biggest detractors to giving up draft picks of any kind. I feel like if they were going to do this they should have just traded Shark. I am draft fan and some of it is me selfishly wanting to be entertained on draft night. If the White Sox gave up a pick in the 20's for Ian Desmond or Daniel Murphy I'd be furious. I don't think anyone should be upset for doing it for Upton though. Upton was a 3.6 WAR player last year playing in the Cavernous PetCo Park. He would immediately upgrade the White Sox biggest area of need (RF) with a 28 power bat. If they are willing to spend, he's probably the guy. The benefits to having the draft pick are more related to flexibility in my opinion than the actual player taken. The player taken with the 25th pick in the draft will probably never be as good as Upton. It's not that simple though. If the Sox have 3 picks on the first night of June's draft, I'll be happy about it. If Justin Upton is the White Sox starting RF on Opening Day though, I'd be happy about that too.

This I 100% agree. All else being equal, I want to keep the pick for the reasons you mentioned. Having said that, if a guy on the right side of 30 is available and can fill a major need for the next 5 years, then I'm totally cool with sacrificing it.

[LDF]

I think they have more money to play with than a lot of people want to assume. Some current players are getting increases, but between the 2 catchers signing and the players who are now off the books, Samedzija, Alexei, Beckham. Soto, Bonafacio, Keppinger, Noeisi, Guerra, Flowers they are at about -$30 million from last year before those increases.

 

When they acquired Samardzija, they wanted to sign him long term, so they had to have funds available.

 

I don't know why you and at least one other poster assumes no way over $120 million. They were at $119 last year, and payroll usually goes up.

 

i understand what you are saying. i have always said, esp in some of my recent post, now my ideas goes back to playoff time, the sox have around 90 mil in current payroll, add 10 mil for bonuses and such... 100 mil. that is what they have to play with, per the sox FO of only spending 20 mil

 

now. i have always have maintain the sox can go to 140-16o and i made a post on those numbers. again i still haven't chg my positions, even with some of the salary being given out to price and zach greinke or something like that. now many are seeing how trading a Q can help.

 

either way, does the sox have that money.... yes, will they spend that kind of money .... no.

 

now my question that is still unanswered from you, why would you imagine the sox spend that kind of money and do maybe nothing else????

 

for what purpose???

[hogan873]

I think he can be sent down, but I think it is more likely he would move on. The Sox don't want to pay guys $2 million to play at Charlotte.

 

Maybe there is someone somewhere who can figure out a way to get Avi to recognize pitches. He works hard, but until he changes some things up, it seems his star is dimming quickly.

 

Still, Upton has to be considered unlikely I would assume.

I would agree. I would be very surprised if the Sox were to make a big signing like that. And I'm not sure I'd say I would be pleasantly surprised based on what kind of contract he's likely to get, and the fact that it would cost a pick.

[LDF]

Yep, no one here has any idea what our payroll will be next year, but the Upton rumor suggests it might be a lot higher than most people here are expecting.

 

Also, for those people against signing Upton because of the QO, how do you expect to add an impact otherwise? We don't any prospects in the system that are even close to being options and trade candidates are going to cost a lot more than a draft pick. I get it sucks to lose the pick, but from a talent perspective, it's probably one of the cheaper ways to add an impact bat.

 

the word impact is really subjective to what many are expecting per their definition.

 

but the answer is yes with some smart trading.

[Dick Allen]

i understand what you are saying. i have always said, esp in some of my recent post, now my ideas goes back to playoff time, the sox have around 90 mil in current payroll, add 10 mil for bonuses and such... 100 mil. that is what they have to play with, per the sox FO of only spending 20 mil

 

now. i have always have maintain the sox can go to 140-16o and i made a post on those numbers. again i still haven't chg my positions, even with some of the salary being given out to price and zach greinke or something like that. now many are seeing how trading a Q can help.

 

either way, does the sox have that money.... yes, will they spend that kind of money .... no.

 

now my question that is still unanswered from you, why would you imagine the sox spend that kind of money and do maybe nothing else????

 

for what purpose???

Why would they do nothing else? They are looking for infielders, for starting and relief pitchers, now free agent OF which is a surprise, but probably the easiest way to get a bigger offensive upgrade. They knew they were still short last year and said they weren't where they wanted to be even when we all were excited about thei chances. They will do what they can. They see the same things we see on the field, and even more things we do not.

[LDF]

Why would they do nothing else? They are looking for infielders, for starting and relief pitchers, now free agent OF which is a surprise, but probably the easiest way to get a bigger offensive upgrade. They knew they were still short last year and said they weren't where they wanted to be even when we all were excited about thei chances. They will do what they can. They see the same things we see on the field, and even more things we do not.

 

i am taking the interview that said the the sox will only spend about 20 mil. i do not know who said, but it was 2 weeks ago, didn't kw say that??

 

but that is my point, why spend the whole chunk of what the sox have said they will spend on 1 player when there are holes. now i am taking this 20 mil literally. add the fa's of catching to upton salary and that is it.

 

now the question again is why??? think outside the box, look at the big picture, why would they only do that and maybe nothing else???

[LDF]

I have been one of the biggest detractors to giving up draft picks of any kind. I feel like if they were going to do this they should have just traded Shark. I am draft fan and some of it is me selfishly wanting to be entertained on draft night. If the White Sox gave up a pick in the 20's for Ian Desmond or Daniel Murphy I'd be furious. I don't think anyone should be upset for doing it for Upton though. Upton was a 3.6 WAR player last year playing in the Cavernous PetCo Park. He would immediately upgrade the White Sox biggest area of need (RF) with a 28 power bat. If they are willing to spend, he's probably the guy. The benefits to having the draft pick are more related to flexibility in my opinion than the actual player taken. The player taken with the 25th pick in the draft will probably never be as good as Upton. It's not that simple though. If the Sox have 3 picks on the first night of June's draft, I'll be happy about it. If Justin Upton is the White Sox starting RF on Opening Day though, I'd be happy about that too.

 

you make a great point.

 

if upton is signed, would the sox loose the 2nd rounder instead of their comp pick??

[lasttriptotulsa]

i am taking the interview that said the the sox will only spend about 20 mil. i do not know who said, but it was 2 weeks ago, didn't kw say that??

 

but that is my point, why spend the whole chunk of what the sox have said they will spend on 1 player when there are holes. now i am taking this 20 mil literally. add the fa's of catching to upton salary and that is it.

 

now the question again is why??? think outside the box, look at the big picture, why would they only do that and maybe nothing else???

 

Signing the catchers did nothing to the payroll. They were basically completely offset by the departures of Soto and Flowers.

[Dick Allen]

i am taking the interview that said the the sox will only spend about 20 mil. i do not know who said, but it was 2 weeks ago, didn't kw say that??

 

but that is my point, why spend the whole chunk of what the sox have said they will spend on 1 player when there are holes. now i am taking this 20 mil literally. add the fa's of catching to upton salary and that is it.

 

now the question again is why??? think outside the box, look at the big picture, why would they only do that and maybe nothing else???

KW also said they had no money and they traded for Peavy and claimed Rios. He said no funds and they claimed Manny, he said no funds and they signed Dunn and brought back Paulie and AJP.

 

If you listened to KW talk finances and he was actually believable,, Greensox would have his dream team of mediocre at best prospects manning every position.

[LDF]

KW also said they had no money and they traded for Peavy and claimed Rios. He said no funds and they claimed Manny, he said no funds and they signed Dunn and brought back Paulie and AJP.

 

If you listened to KW talk finances and he was actually believable,, Greensox would have his dream team of mediocre at best prospects manning every position.

 

you may very well be right, but the point is, he is the only one talking from the FO and he has the eyes and ears of the owner, you can not dispute what he says unless there is some other inside source.

 

i am using the numbers that was spell out by the sox org, and within those parameters i am dealing with.... no what if and well that is not what he meant.... \

 

 

[fathom]

you may very well be right, but the point is, he is the only one talking from the FO and he has the eyes and ears of the owner, you can not dispute what he says unless there is some other inside source.

 

i am using the numbers that was spell out by the sox org, and within those parameters i am dealing with.... no what if and well that is not what he meant.... \

 

Never, ever take what KW says to the media as the truth.

[Dick Allen]

you may very well be right, but the point is, he is the only one talking from the FO and he has the eyes and ears of the owner, you can not dispute what he says unless there is some other inside source.

 

i am using the numbers that was spell out by the sox org, and within those parameters i am dealing with.... no what if and well that is not what he meant.... \

When it comes to lack of funds, I dispute everything he says. There is an extensive track record showing he isn't being straight.