Al Lopez's Ghost Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 He'll fit right in then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Another thing perhaps worth bringing up with people talking about his his potential contract and it hurting the Sox. Next year they will have 28 mill coming off the books between Danks and Laroche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 There's a reason a guy with this much talent has been moved around as often as he has been. I'd stay away from him. And if Kenny Williams "loves" Upton, that's even more reason to stay FAR away. This is Hahn's show (supposedly) not Kenny's. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Upton is nowhere near the power hitter that Adam Dunn was, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 10:03 AM) Upton is nowhere near the power hitter that Adam Dunn was, though. I mean he has averaged 27 homers and 30 doubles the past 3 years, he is about as good a power hitter as you're going to find these days if you want any type of average to go with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 12:42 PM) He's been on three teams. The team that drafted him started to suck so they traded him. Then the team he got traded to changed FOs and started a rebuild. Unless you have an actual reason to put an indictment on Upton you shouldn't, because your logic is flawed here. It usually is, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I'm on the fence here but while Cabrera would fit the patchwork mold, desperation move for 2016 that many are afraid of, I don't think a move for Upton would be the same, he'd be helping us for many seasons beyond next year. So even if you don't think the Sox will contend next year, Upton can still help in 2017-2019 when we'll presumably be in a better position to contend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 08:12 PM) I'm on the fence here but while Cabrera would fit the patchwork mold, desperation move for 2016 that many are afraid of, I don't think a move for Upton would be the same, he'd be helping us for many seasons beyond next year. So even if you don't think the Sox will contend next year, Upton can still help in 2017-2019 when we'll presumably be in a better position to contend. big problem. if this is all the sox do, if you think last yr the owners were pissed for the lack of fans coming out, they will have an heartache this yr. they want instant rtn on their investment. Edited December 7, 2015 by LDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Lip: Lip -Lip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 As a long-term move, Upton makes sense on the surface -- the swing in productivity on both sides of the ball from Avi to Upton would be staggering, and the guy is only 28 -- but the cost is high, even if he's "worth it" in terms of dollars to productivity. Realistically, if you're going to have "building block" players that eat up ~$20-25m of your yearly payroll, you have to be willing to continually increase said payroll to patch up the holes that inevitably appear elsewhere. The Dodgers make it work, but the Sox have yet to show such a tendency. Otherwise, it ends up as more of a "HAIL MARY" move, like the Padres just became famous for. I can't support a move for Upton in that context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 National League bats scare the hell out of me. Upton and Frazier could turn out to be American League busts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 03:31 PM) As a long-term move, Upton makes sense on the surface -- the swing in productivity on both sides of the ball from Avi to Upton would be staggering, and the guy is only 28 -- but the cost is high, even if he's "worth it" in terms of dollars to productivity. Realistically, if you're going to have "building block" players that eat up ~$20-25m of your yearly payroll, you have to be willing to continually increase said payroll to patch up the holes that inevitably appear elsewhere. The Dodgers make it work, but the Sox have yet to show such a tendency. Otherwise, it ends up as more of a "HAIL MARY" move, like the Padres just became famous for. I can't support a move for Upton in that context. If you're going to sign Upton for this year I can't fathom why you'd have let Alexei walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 02:36 PM) National League bats scare the hell out of me. Upton and Frazier could turn out to be American League busts. Yeah the Yankees should really think twice about signing Harper when he hits free agency in a few years because he could be an American League bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
professa Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Sign Justin Upton to a 7/147M deal (MLBTR projection) Trade Avi Garcia+ for Brett Lawrie Sign Alexei Ramirez 1/7.5M Sign Matt Albers 1/2.5 Payroll: 135M (Current=~95M+10M(Arbitration) + 21(Upton) + 7.5(Alexei) + 2.5 (Albers)) Lawrie included in arbitration figure. I think JR can be convinced to spend more given what's coming off the books next year. Might as well go all in. VS RHP VS LHP 1. Eaton CF Eaton CF 2. Melky RF Melky DH 3. Abreu 1B Abreu 1B 4. Upton LF Upton LF 5. LaRoche DH Trayce RF 6. Lawrie 3B Lawrie 3B 7. Avila C Navarro C 8. Alexei SS Alexei SS 9. Sanchez 2B Sanchez Bench Saladino Navarro Trayce Shuck Rotation 1. Sale 2. Q 3. Rodon 4. Danks 5. EJ Pen 1. Robertson 2. Jones. 3. Duke 4. Albers 5. Petricka 6. Putnam 7. Jennings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (professa @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 04:04 PM) Sign Justin Upton to a 7/147M deal (MLBTR projection) Trade Avi Garcia+ for Brett Lawrie Sign Alexei Ramirez 1/7.5M Sign Matt Albers 1/2.5 Payroll: 135M (Current=~95M+10M(Arbitration) + 21(Upton) + 7.5(Alexei) + 2.5 (Albers)) Lawrie included in arbitration figure. I think JR can be convinced to spend more given what's coming off the books next year. Might as well go all in. VS RHP VS LHP 1. Eaton CF Eaton CF 2. Melky RF Melky DH 3. Abreu 1B Abreu 1B 4. Upton LF Upton LF 5. LaRoche DH Trayce RF 6. Lawrie 3B Lawrie 3B 7. Avila C Navarro C 8. Alexei SS Alexei SS 9. Sanchez 2B Sanchez Bench Saladino Navarro Trayce Shuck Rotation 1. Sale 2. Q 3. Rodon 4. Danks 5. EJ Pen 1. Robertson 2. Jones. 3. Duke 4. Albers 5. Petricka 6. Putnam 7. Jennings I could see them doing something similar to this although I'm still not sure if that is a playoff caliber team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 04:11 PM) I could see them doing something similar to this although I'm still not sure if that is a playoff caliber team. Yep me too. I'd still prefer Heyward over Upton, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (professa @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 10:04 PM) Sign Justin Upton to a 7/147M deal (MLBTR projection) Trade Avi Garcia+ for Brett Lawrie Sign Alexei Ramirez 1/7.5M Sign Matt Albers 1/2.5 Payroll: 135M (Current=~95M+10M(Arbitration) + 21(Upton) + 7.5(Alexei) + 2.5 (Albers)) Lawrie included in arbitration figure. I think JR can be convinced to spend more given what's coming off the books next year. Might as well go all in. VS RHP VS LHP 1. Eaton CF Eaton CF 2. Melky RF Melky DH 3. Abreu 1B Abreu 1B 4. Upton LF Upton LF 5. LaRoche DH Trayce RF 6. Lawrie 3B Lawrie 3B 7. Avila C Navarro C 8. Alexei SS Alexei SS 9. Sanchez 2B Sanchez Bench Saladino Navarro Trayce Shuck Rotation 1. Sale 2. Q 3. Rodon 4. Danks 5. EJ Pen 1. Robertson 2. Jones. 3. Duke 4. Albers 5. Petricka 6. Putnam 7. Jennings very well thought out.... the only problem in your project / mock i have is EJ and no backup sp to use in case .... same thing as last yr, depending on hector and he bomb, the yr before with the other pitcher i think paulino and he bomb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear_brian Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 04:17 PM) very well thought out.... the only problem in your project / mock i have is EJ and no backup sp to use in case .... same thing as last yr, depending on hector and he bomb, the yr before with the other pitcher i think paulino and he bomb. One would think that signing Jacob Turner to a $1.5 contract might mean they would be thinking of him as that backup pitcher. Wouldn't that make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Dan Hayes seems to think there is no way they go after Upton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (bear_brian @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 11:22 PM) One would think that signing Jacob Turner to a $1.5 contract might mean they would be thinking of him as that backup pitcher. Wouldn't that make sense? big time. i know the org can not anticipate every little thing, but this team is lacking players and just assuming that no one will get hurt or that all will perform as expected is being limited in their thinking. latos is another vogelsong is another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 10:23 PM) Dan Hayes seems to think there is no way they go after Upton i was really thinking of doing a mini rant on why the sox should sign him and how the org is narrow minded..... then i thought better of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 The move from Avi to Upton would be worth something around 100 to maybe 150 OPS points if you give Upton a pass on his San Diego year because of their ballpark. Defensively they would go from a dWAR of -1.8 to 0.2. Those are two huge jumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 04:11 PM) I could see them doing something similar to this although I'm still not sure if that is a playoff caliber team. Precisely my thoughts. Still think we'd need 1 additional impact player to be competitors such as a Frazier-type (with the thought of sticking Lawrie at 2b). Guessing payroll would be quite bloated, though. But I agree with the LaRoche / Melky platooning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayan024 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 @rickslat123 Sources: Justin Upton @JUST_JUP agrees to contract with @whitesox. Deal roughly 6/135. #mlb #MLBWinterMeetings Does this guy have any credibility seems like he had the Robertson to Whitesox the day before he signed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (dayan024 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 04:48 PM) @rickslat123 Sources: Justin Upton @JUST_JUP agrees to contract with @whitesox. Deal roughly 6/135. #mlb #MLBWinterMeetings Does this guy have any credibility seems like he had the Robertson to Whitesox the day before he signed Lol no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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