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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 16, 2016 -> 09:23 AM)
And Saladino had a legit shot at the job in spring training. He didn't beat Rollins out. The cards were not stacked against him. Robin loves the guy. He almost made the team a few years ago.

Saladino absolutely destroyed the ball in Spring Training.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 16, 2016 -> 09:35 AM)
So did Rollins.

He did but Tyler outperformed him. I don't think Tyler is a starting shortstop at the major league level but I don't think it's fair to say he was given a legit shot in spring training, Rollins was definitely the guy they wanted to go with.

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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 16, 2016 -> 09:38 AM)
He did but Tyler outperformed him. I don't think Tyler is a starting shortstop at the major league level but I don't think it's fair to say he was given a legit shot in spring training, Rollins was definitely the guy they wanted to go with.

I disagree. But it really doesn't matter, as he wasn't the SS of the future, and we all know he can play there if he has to, which seems to be the point that was apparently being questioned. It's pretty apparent he can play all the infield positons defensively if he has to, and do it pretty well.

 

I do think they probably should limit his moving around a bit though. If they ever start giving him legit time in the OF, to play a guy at 6 or 7 positions consistently, isn't being fair to him. Let him primarily play a couple and the rest in a pinch.

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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 16, 2016 -> 09:38 AM)
He did but Tyler outperformed him. I don't think Tyler is a starting shortstop at the major league level but I don't think it's fair to say he was given a legit shot in spring training, Rollins was definitely the guy they wanted to go with.

Agreed. We didn't sign Rollins to bench him. Man does that signing annoy me, still.

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QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Sep 16, 2016 -> 10:16 AM)
Thankfully it wasn't for a whole lot of moolah, but yeah, he was done. It's too bad, I wanted him to succeed, he just didn't have anything left.

You're right, and I did too. It's just, at the time, I was mad that we're going "all in" but signing a washed up, declining guy available in March to start at shortstop. I mean, the "all in" phase was half-assed to begin with, but this was the icing on the cake

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 16, 2016 -> 03:08 PM)
They could have let him walk away and not pay him a dime. He looked like he could still play this spring.

 

 

I think they looked at the veteran in Rollins when making their starting SS decision. I always liked Saladino and I think Rollins was meant to be almost a player/coach to help the SS youngsters. The Sox got away from that. Saladino was penciled in as the super IF sub. The injury to Lawrie changed that. Really a question of what do they plan for 2017. If Lawrie is healthy I think he starts at 2B and Anderson at SS and Frazier at 3B. Saladino returns to the super IF sub role. Now if we trade Lawrie then Sally starts and Garcia and Sanchez play the super role

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QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 16, 2016 -> 04:40 PM)
I think they looked at the veteran in Rollins when making their starting SS decision. I always liked Saladino and I think Rollins was meant to be almost a player/coach to help the SS youngsters. The Sox got away from that. Saladino was penciled in as the super IF sub. The injury to Lawrie changed that. Really a question of what do they plan for 2017. If Lawrie is healthy I think he starts at 2B and Anderson at SS and Frazier at 3B. Saladino returns to the super IF sub role. Now if we trade Lawrie then Sally starts and Garcia and Sanchez play the super role

 

I am not sure of lawrie's contract status. But I doubt Lawrie has any value since he has been out so long. I would guess they bring him back and hope he has some value next July when the trade deadline approaches.

 

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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 16, 2016 -> 09:38 AM)
He did but Tyler outperformed him. I don't think Tyler is a starting shortstop at the major league level but I don't think it's fair to say he was given a legit shot in spring training, Rollins was definitely the guy they wanted to go with.

 

The logic was that all things equal, Saladino makes sense as the utility guy, while Rollins didn't.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 16, 2016 -> 05:45 PM)
The logic was that all things equal, Saladino makes sense as the utility guy, while Rollins didn't.

 

It still does. Abreau could DH more, Frazier at 1st, Saladino at 3rd. Somehow it seems wrong for people to believe having quality utility guys. Heath seems to be an issue with this team. Then the replacements are often guys like a Shuck. Usually a guy that is peaked and probably not good enough to play at the major league level.

 

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QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Sep 17, 2016 -> 10:21 AM)
Rollins had the job the second he signed. He was going to start unless he died on the field in Arizona.

Exactly. That's why I was so annoyed by the signing. If we were really going for it, we wouldn't be starting a declining 37 year-old SS who doesn't provide anything above average aside from leadership skills.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 20, 2016 -> 04:33 PM)
Daryl Van Schouwen ‏@CST_soxvan 2h2 hours ago Adam Eaton's 18 outfield assists, which lead majors, are most by a #WhiteSox OF since Minnie Minoso and Jim Landis had 19 each in 1955.

Wrong again. Landis wasn't yet with Sox in 1955. His first full year was 1959; he came up for a few games the year or two before that.

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