Frank_Thomas Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 11:07 AM) Stll have the feeling there's more involved in the trade talks than just Lawrie. Then again, maybe it could be that both teams are looking into medicals? It just seems like a deal like this would be more simple and take less time. Medicals could be a hold up, Lawrie has had a history of injuries (although most were freak accidents; broken ankle sliding, broken hand being hit by a pitch, strained oblique after catching a ball and falling in the camera pit). But I really think we are choosing not to announce this yet because we are still working on the other pieces that fit together in this puzzle, well hopefully atleast. Edited December 9, 2015 by Frank_Thomas35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 11:12 AM) Robin was also on MLB network the other day and said Olt may get a shot at third. What is said in the media really means very little. While it is inconceivable on the surface to even fathom Olt getting a shot at 3rd, if a trade like this doesn't go down, then that's what we are looking at. All things being equal, Trayce getting a shot at CF is far likelier to happen then Olt getting a shot at 3rd base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 If this deal goes down Lawrie will be an improvement (how can anybody be worse?) but let's keep things in perspective, you still aren't talking about a 25 home run , 100 RBI guy at the position which is traditionally a big time power spot in your lineup. Again he'll help but he's not an All-Star by any means. (And yes I know they are in short supply...) Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 11:16 AM) Medicals could be a hold up, Lawrie has had a history of injuries (although most were freak accidents; broken ankle sliding, broken hand being hit by a pitch, strained oblique after catching a ball and falling in the camera pit). But I really think we are choosing not to announce this yet because we are still working on the other pieces that fit together in this puzzle, well hopefully atleast. That's definitely a possibility too. Something like what the cubs did last night with the Castro trade and Zobrist signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 If it got to the point of medicals, we would have heard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 06:21 PM) If it got to the point of medicals, we would have heard Supposedly the Zobrist and Castro deals were done Monday night, but weren't announced until last night due to the medicals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) If we are indeed close with Lawrie, I don't know how we are not being mentioned with any of the big OF bats in FA or in trade (CarGo). Just getting Lawrie makes 0 sense. Edited December 9, 2015 by SoxPride18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 05:22 PM) If we are indeed close with Lawrie, I don't know how we are not being mentioned with any of the big OF bats in FA or in trade (CarGo) To be fair, almost no teams have been mentioned with the big bats. Amazing how quiet it's been with Cespedes and Upton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 11:23 AM) To be fair, almost no teams have been mentioned with the big bats. Amazing how quiet it's been with Cespedes and Upton. Cespedes yes, but now the Upton market is heating up. Giants, O's, and Angels all have been linked. Although, it looks like Giants are focusing in on Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 11:04 AM) It kind of bothers me that the white sox, of all places, cannot try out to see if Trayce is something worth keeping. Kenny williams gives zero f***s about prospects. If he wants someone he will burn it all down for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 05:18 PM) While it is inconceivable on the surface to even fathom Olt getting a shot at 3rd, if a trade like this doesn't go down, then that's what we are looking at. All things being equal, Trayce getting a shot at CF is far likelier to happen then Olt getting a shot at 3rd base. There's really no reason to worry about the possibility of Olt starting next year at 3rd....unless the Sox trade for a super 3rd base prospect and hold him down for two weeks I heard that's Olt's favorite role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 05:24 PM) Cespedes yes, but now the Upton market is heating up. Giants, O's, and Angels all have been linked. Although, it looks like Giants are focusing in on Gordon. Everyone seems to be waiting on the Cardinals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 11:20 AM) That's definitely a possibility too. Something like what the cubs did last night with the Castro trade and Zobrist signing. And it just came out the Cubs were in on Miller and included Soler, so that leads you to believe the Cubs still have a few more chips on the table. I think they land a SP in a trade and then sign J Hey or Gordon. But I'm sick of seeing our cross town rivals execute a plan correctly, and they've hit on their plan for a few years. It's time for the Sox to collect a few hits, and I think Lawrie is an excellent start. He is 26 and at one point was being talked about as a future superstar before a few injury setbacks. I think he would be a steal for this team and not only would bring better D and O but would be a guy that wouldn't let this team be flat or go through the motions throughout a season. He'll light a fire for this team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 11:24 AM) Kenny williams gives zero f***s about prospects. If he wants someone he will burn it all down for them. Do you just keep repeating this until it sticks into our heads like "his name is Robert Paulson" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 05:24 PM) Kenny williams gives zero f***s about prospects. If he wants someone he will burn it all down for them. Well, the good news about having a mediocre farm system is it never hurts too much when you get rid of someone. I can't believe how some seem upset about the possibility of losing someone like Beck, etc. Nice arm, but every organization has a few guys like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 11:25 AM) Everyone seems to be waiting on the Cardinals I don't buy the O's at all its a leverage game with them, basically telling Boras accept or turn down our 7-$150 for Davis or we are "pivoting" to our next guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 11:19 AM) If this deal goes down Lawrie will be an improvement (how can anybody be worse?) but let's keep things in perspective, you still aren't talking about a 25 home run , 100 RBI guy at the position which is traditionally a big time power spot in your lineup. Again he'll help but he's not an All-Star by any means. (And yes I know they are in short supply...) Mark I think tradition needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Only 8 third baseman had 25 or more HR's in '15 and one of them ( Valbuena ) played 1/3 of his games at first so its not like those guys are in abundance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorkChopExpress Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 12:20 PM) That's definitely a possibility too. Something like what the cubs did last night with the Castro trade and Zobrist signing. This is what I was thinking. There was a tweet or something about the Sox "lining up" some moves. Then the Lawrie thing, and now I see on mlbtraderumors that CarGo's name is coming up again. I could see the Sox making two moves like Lawrie and CarGo simultaneously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 11:25 AM) He'll light a fire for this team Hopefully not the spark that sends the dumpster ablaze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 11:23 AM) To be fair, almost no teams have been mentioned with the big bats. Amazing how quiet it's been with Cespedes and Upton. It's been reported Cespedes market isn't what people thought going in and I have heard he won't get anywhere near the money he was asking for during the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 11:25 AM) And it just came out the Cubs were in on Miller and included Soler, so that leads you to believe the Cubs still have a few more chips on the table. I think they land a SP in a trade and then sign J Hey or Gordon. But I'm sick of seeing our cross town rivals execute a plan correctly, and they've hit on their plan for a few years. It's time for the Sox to collect a few hits, and I think Lawrie is an excellent start. He is 26 and at one point was being talked about as a future superstar before a few injury setbacks. I think he would be a steal for this team and not only would bring better D and O but would be a guy that wouldn't let this team be flat or go through the motions throughout a season. He'll light a fire for this team Could not agree more. Eaton and Lawrie in the same dugout should keep the energy level up and we seen too many times in '15 how lethargic the players looked at times. Just going through the motions, or so it seemed. I hope you're right in that the Sox are lining things up and once a Lawrie trade is announced, another announcement or two follows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (PorkChopExpress @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 11:27 AM) This is what I was thinking. There was a tweet or something about the Sox "lining up" some moves. Then the Lawrie thing, and now I see on mlbtraderumors that CarGo's name is coming up again. I could see the Sox making two moves like Lawrie and CarGo simultaneously. Ya, the Sox were supposedly in meetings all day yesterday so maybe today at some point the puzzle comes together. Perhaps a three way deal involving the SOX, A's and Rockies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I'm not sure what the holdup is but I want something to happen god dammit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 11:39 AM) I'm not sure what the holdup is but I want something to happen god dammit. What Mike said! X10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 The questions is if you had your choice if we do land Lawrie would you rather Sign Upton, Sign Cespedes, Sign Gordon, or trade for Cargo? (Not going to include J Hey cause there is no chance) Personally I would be ecstatic if we traded for Lawrie to play 2B, sign the Japenese 3B, and sign J up. Although my ultimate pipe dream is landing Puig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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