harfman77 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Seems a lot like Alex Rios before he signed his extension with the Jays. He will always play good defense, though it is likely that he starts to lose a step at this point as he ages and his defensive value will come back to the pack. The bat is never going to be enough to justify what he is going to get. I hope the Cubs sign him, I would love to see him be an anchor around their neck in three years when he is making $20M + a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 09:02 AM) Seems a lot like Alex Rios before he signed his extension with the Jays. He will always play good defense, though it is likely that he starts to lose a step at this point as he ages and his defensive value will come back to the pack. The bat is never going to be enough to justify what he is going to get. I hope the Cubs sign him, I would love to see him be an anchor around their neck in three years when he is making $20M + a season. 3 years from now, Heyward will be 29 years old.. and probably having the best season of his career He is probably a good bet to be 5-6 WAR for the first 6 years of the deal. Edited December 11, 2015 by Knackattack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 The stats driving his price (defense and base running) to me are more of a gray area that are being rewarded for uncertain future rewards. If the cub sign him for 10/$200M this is yet another step back for their process as I think every move they have made this off-season will lead to a regression in the overall scope of the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Those teams dont give a crap if he hits home runs. That's just an added bonus that he can(in the playoffs he showed some pop). Why do they like him besides his Elite defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 09:09 AM) 3 years from now, Heyward will be 29 years old.. and probably having the best season of his career He is probably a good bet to be 5-6 WAR for the first 6 years of the deal. And he'll likely have an opt out for 3-4 years down the road, where he'll capitalize on one last contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 11:25 AM) And he'll likely have an opt out for 3-4 years down the road, where he'll capitalize on one last contract. Which in this case will be awesome. Part of the reason I want him. I get player opt-out is hugely in the players favor, but here you get the best of his years likely won't have to worry about what will be an awful back end of the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 11:28 AM) Which in this case will be awesome. Part of the reason I want him. I get player opt-out is hugely in the players favor, but here you get the best of his years likely won't have to worry about what will be an awful back end of the contract. I can't explain how much I agree with this... Hell, I'd give him a 10 year/$250 million deal with a player opt-out after year 4. Then the Sox would have him in his age 26-30 seasons and then he'll be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 11:09 AM) 3 years from now, Heyward will be 29 years old.. and probably having the best season of his career He is probably a good bet to be 5-6 WAR for the first 6 years of the deal. Yes he will be 29, but players that rely on their athleticism as much as he does to be productive begin to decline much faster than others. These are the same arguments that were made when the Jays gave albatross contracts to Wells and Rios only to have to regret it almost immediately. According to stats and stuff, this would have been his peak season offensively. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/hitters-no-...k-only-decline/ https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/...SYuK/story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 11:32 AM) I can't explain how much I agree with this... Hell, I'd give him a 10 year/$250 million deal with a player opt-out after year 4. Then the Sox would have him in his age 26-30 seasons and then he'll be gone. What if he fractures his ankle in year 3 and can't run like before. That team is stuck with the entire contract. I wouldn't take that chance with the budget constraints the Sox have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 09:28 AM) Which in this case will be awesome. Part of the reason I want him. I get player opt-out is hugely in the players favor, but here you get the best of his years likely won't have to worry about what will be an awful back end of the contract. I was having a discussion with Kalapse and he convinced me that the player opt-out, especially for younger guys, is actually a good thing, since you get the prime years without as much of the longer-term risk. Plus the opt-out gives them that additional "hunger" towards the opportunity to strike another massive deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Sounds like he may be going to the Cubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 09:40 AM) What if he fractures his ankle in year 3 and can't run like before. That team is stuck with the entire contract. I wouldn't take that chance with the budget constraints the Sox have. If I had an opt out, it would probably be a 7 year deal with an opt-out after year 3 or 4, but I agree with you, you have to be careful. No matter what you do, you can't bank any assumption that they will take the opt-out so you have to be comfortable with the thought of going the full way. 10 years with the Sox payroll constraints doesn't make a lot of sense, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 11:45 AM) Sounds like he may be going to the Cubs See twitter has fallen victim to the fake Ken Rosenthal account again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 11:49 AM) See twitter has fallen victim to the fake Ken Rosenthal account again Morosi and real Rosenthal are hinting that's the case anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 11:54 AM) Morosi and real Rosenthal are hinting that's the case anyway Nothing to indicate that on Ken's twitter. Or Morosi's for that matter. Edited December 11, 2015 by Buehrle>Wood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 11:55 AM) Nothing to indicate that on Ken's twitter. Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 5m5 minutes ago #STLCards out on Heyward, sources tell me and @jonmorosi. @dgoold had indicated they no longer were in play. Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 6m6 minutes ago Cubs definitely still in mix for heyward, with decision coming soon. Nats, and according to @dgoold cardinals, discouraged this is just what i'm going off, seems like they're pointing towards the cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 10:20 AM) 19 HR 68 RBI 17 SB 72 BB 123 K .268 AVG .353 OBP .431 SLG .784 OPS Averages in career. He hasn't hit more than 14 HR in 4 seasons. Basically his career averages are close to Adam Eaton's 2015 season. Let some other team overpay for him. I don't want him on the Sox! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whtsoxfan Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Cardinals Out Jason Heyward Makes Decision; http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/jaso...t-reported.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Makes me think it isn't one of the Nats / Cards / Cubs. Presume we are talking Giants or Angels or hell, why not Dbacks, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) Mystery Team. Just a guess, I have no info. Edited December 11, 2015 by shysocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/basebal...igned-cubs.html Bleh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Wittenmeyer says Cubs got him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Gordon Wittenmyer @GDubCub Multiple sources indicate Heyward has indeed chosen Cubs over Cards, Nats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 f*** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) Staying off Twitter for a little while This was worst case scenario Edited December 11, 2015 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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