Saufley Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 03:16 PM) So supposedly the Sox really aren't going for J Ups anymore. Personally, I wanted him far more than Gordon or Cespedes, even if it means we give him a 6-7 year deal for a slightly larger AAV. With Gordon, he's been awesome as an all around player, but I am really concerned about him stay healthy and getting us 150+ games a season. With Cespedes, he brings that much needed power, but for the biggest contract we've ever given, I'd like a guy who has an OBP of over .320. He'd still be a great player, but I'm concerned about our financial resources going to a guy who hits for low average but can't draw walks that well. I think Upton just brings that all-around player (power, OBP, speed, decent D) and I have a lot more confidence in his durability than the other 2. Either way, this team will be better with any of these guys, but I am still holding out hope that we net Upton instead of the other too. Maybe the circles that the other rumors have gone in lately will lead a path back to Justin. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I think it was implied due to his market being quiet and the sox not wanting to go over 5 years / ~100MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 03:57 PM) Who said this? Well, perhaps you caught me assuming, as I don't think I've seen anyone directly say that the Sox weren't interested. But I guess it's the natural thought right now with everyone including Rosenthal only naming Cespedes and Gordon in regard to the Sox. And if the Sox land one of those 2, they clearly are not going to still be interested in Upton. Do you think we have reason to believe they are pushing as much for Upton currently as Gordon/Cespedes? It just felt like(at least lately) Upton was only going to be reached for if we missed on the other 2. I hope you tell me I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiosx2334 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 04:31 PM) Well, perhaps you caught me assuming, as I don't think I've seen anyone directly say that the Sox weren't interested. But I guess it's the natural thought right now with everyone including Rosenthal only naming Cespedes and Gordon in regard to the Sox. And if the Sox land one of those 2, they clearly are not going to still be interested in Upton. Do you think we have reason to believe they are pushing as much for Upton currently as Gordon/Cespedes? It just felt like(at least lately) Upton was only going to be reached for if we missed on the other 2. I hope you tell me I'm wrong. sox are checking and trying with all their targets until told no. Edited December 31, 2015 by soxman26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 QUOTE (soxman26 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 02:36 PM) sox are checking and trying with all their targets until told no. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 03:16 PM) So supposedly the Sox really aren't going for J Ups anymore. Personally, I wanted him far more than Gordon or Cespedes, even if it means we give him a 6-7 year deal for a slightly larger AAV. With Gordon, he's been awesome as an all around player, but I am really concerned about him stay healthy and getting us 150+ games a season. With Cespedes, he brings that much needed power, but for the biggest contract we've ever given, I'd like a guy who has an OBP of over .320. He'd still be a great player, but I'm concerned about our financial resources going to a guy who hits for low average but can't draw walks that well. I think Upton just brings that all-around player (power, OBP, speed, decent D) and I have a lot more confidence in his durability than the other 2. Either way, this team will be better with any of these guys, but I am still holding out hope that we net Upton instead of the other too. Maybe the circles that the other rumors have gone in lately will lead a path back to Justin. 151 161 156 156 Those are the games played for Gordon from 2011-2014. One freak injury doesn't make him injury prone all of a sudden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 8s8 seconds ago Theres' been contact between O's & Justin Upton's camp. Matchup makes sense, especially if he goes Nelson Cruz route and takes 1-year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 03:11 PM) Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 8s8 seconds ago Theres' been contact between O's & Justin Upton's camp. Matchup makes sense, especially if he goes Nelson Cruz route and takes 1-year deal. I would kick my dog if Upton or Cespedes signed a short "prove it" deal and it wasn't with the Sox. EDIT: I have a really big dog. So he'd be fine. Please don't call PETA Edited January 6, 2016 by southside hitman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 03:12 PM) I would kick my dog if Upton or Cespedes signed a short "prove it" deal and it wasn't with the Sox. EDIT: I have a really big dog. So he'd be fine. Please don't call PETA If a guy signs a one year "prove it" deal, Camden Yards is a more attractive place to hit and stack up stats than the Cell. Just sayin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 03:11 PM) Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 8s8 seconds ago Theres' been contact between O's & Justin Upton's camp. Matchup makes sense, especially if he goes Nelson Cruz route and takes 1-year deal. I was thinking, why the hell would Upton do something like that? Then I thought about how Upton would be the biggest fish in a small FA pond next winter and it makes more sense. Off the top of my head, Upton's biggest competition next winter would be Rasmus. QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 03:12 PM) I would kick my dog if Upton or Cespedes signed a short "prove it" deal and it wasn't with the Sox. EDIT: I have a really big dog. So he'd be fine. Please don't call PETA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Hell no to 1 year deal for Upton with having to give up draft pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 03:18 PM) Hell no to 1 year deal for Upton with having to give up draft pick You could recoup it next off-season by offering Upton a QO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 04:20 PM) You could recoup it next off-season by offering Upton a QO I'd absolutely do a 1 year deal for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 A 1-year deal for Upton would be a no-brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 This is a pretty smart move by Upton, but I would be terrified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 03:12 PM) I would kick my dog if Upton or Cespedes signed a short "prove it" deal and it wasn't with the Sox. EDIT: I have a really big dog. So he'd be fine. Please don't call PETA Baltimore is an idiot to give Upton a one year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 09:20 PM) You could recoup it next off-season by offering Upton a QO Good point, I take back my "hell no" and say "probably not" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 03:42 PM) Good point, I take back my "hell no" and say "probably not" Doesn't the CBA expire after this season? Or maybe its 2017. Anyway, when it's done, the first change will be the end of the QO tie to free agency (although they could keep the "gain a draft pick" part; but they'll for sure end the "lose the draft pick" side). Edited January 6, 2016 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I'd overpay on a 1 year deal also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 03:49 PM) Doesn't the CBA expire after this season? Or maybe its 2017. Anyway, when it's done, the first change will be the end of the QO tie to free agency (although they could keep the "gain a draft pick" part; but they'll for sure end the "lose the draft pick" side). What do you think will happen then? The team just gains a draft pick and no team risks losing one when signing a guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) Passan broke the Montas news, remember: Tim McKernan @tmckernan 19m19 minutes ago From @JeffPassan: I hear Upton is going to sign for 1 year. If that's the case, there's absolutely no downside to doing a 1 year deal. Edited January 8, 2016 by Jose Paniagua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 09:43 AM) Passan broke the Montas news, remember: Tim McKernan @tmckernan 19m19 minutes ago From @JeffPassan: I hear Upton is going to sign for 1 year. If that's the case, there's absolutely no downside to doing a 1 year deal. If Upton signs a one year deal before Cespedes signs, that could really put the Sox into a bind as it will put teams interested in Upton back into the Cespedes market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 09:44 AM) If Upton signs a one year deal before Cespedes signs, that could really put the Sox into a bind as it will put teams interested in Upton back into the Cespedes market. Unless it is with the Sox.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 How much would it take for a 1-year deal? $30 million? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 09:46 AM) Unless it is with the Sox.. If it's with the Sox...YESSS! If it's with the O's, Rangers, Tigers or Cards...then Sox vs. LAA vs. WAS for Cespedes If it's with LAA, we're still standing around waiting for Davis to friggin sign with the O's already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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