Educating Your Children

[CanOfCorn]

over all, that idea is a nice dream.... i believe they called it the american dream.

 

but that was a long time ago. now, and i mean no disrespect to parents, parents will have to take more of pro-active role in their children. that is if they can, if not, then they will need to find a place who can at least protect your children's.

 

today, even in a remote area of no major crime life or gang life, CO. there was something that happen in school .... this was like plus or minus 3 weeks.

 

chi again is leading the nation for, how do not know the numerical number of consecutive years, that violence will get to the school. believe me, school is a ripe area for recruitment.

 

I'm sorry, but this is ignorant. Are there scary people out there...? Absolutely. But, I can't worry about that every second of every day that my children are at school. I pay my taxes in Oak Park (hi Rock!) and I can not only see where those dollars go, they are tangible. Whether it's the Park District, streets and san, or the schools. We moved here because of the schools. We moved here because we can walk to all three. But most importantly, we chose to forge good relationships with the day care provider/nanny/head mistress/principal/teachers of every place they've been.

 

We still see our nanny. We still see our in-home day care provider. We still see our Montessori head mistress and teacher. We email regularly with both of my son's teachers (Boy #1 is related to his class. Boy #2 has a sensory processing disorder, so we email/talk to his teacher more often). It's just like our parents said to us when we were younger, you take out what you put in. We are in a time now when, even if we are in a good district, we as parents make more time to help with our kids education.

 

The American Dream, at least the way I interpret it is: my kids will do better than me and I will do whatever it takes to get them there.

[LDF]

I'm sorry, but this is ignorant. Are there scary people out there...? Absolutely. But, I can't worry about that every second of every day that my children are at school. I pay my taxes in Oak Park (hi Rock!) and I can not only see where those dollars go, they are tangible. Whether it's the Park District, streets and san, or the schools. We moved here because of the schools. We moved here because we can walk to all three. But most importantly, we chose to forge good relationships with the day care provider/nanny/head mistress/principal/teachers of every place they've been.

 

We still see our nanny. We still see our in-home day care provider. We still see our Montessori head mistress and teacher. We email regularly with both of my son's teachers (Boy #1 is related to his class. Boy #2 has a sensory processing disorder, so we email/talk to his teacher more often). It's just like our parents said to us when we were younger, you take out what you put in. We are in a time now when, even if we are in a good district, we as parents make more time to help with our kids education.

 

The American Dream, at least the way I interpret it is: my kids will do better than me and I will do whatever it takes to get them there.

 

i am sorry for what i am going to say, but you really don't know what you are talking about. yeah, maybe in your life and the life of your family you are making a conscience effort to avoid things.

 

i grew up of 25 on calf i went to grammar school, catholic at assumption, then i was shipped out for a 1 1/2 somewhere, i came back and later i went to harrison hs .... and i will tell you life in the inner cities, the schools life is a dangerous area. so this was in the late 60-thru the 70's. in the 80 different life for me.

 

in h.s, the social groups ran the schools. there were always fights. right there on the blvd their was a gang fight and shooting right after school. so you not going to tell me what i know and to say it is ignorant. there is a hell of lot i can continue. believe you me, it was a scary time.

 

btw, my problems all started b/c of racial dislike. first so called dark skin in a white area.

[ptatc]

Its a very careful balance between parental involvement and detrimental helicopter parents though. You have to make sure you are not the parent who is blaming the teacher for your child's issues in the classroom. Too many parents nowadays fall into that category.

No doubt. By involved parents the studies cite, making sure students do homework, being at kids sporting events/extracurricular activities, booster clubs etc. The negatives are blaming the institution and punishing kids for bad grades. It's the positive involvement that is key.

[ptatc]

I'm sorry, but this is ignorant. Are there scary people out there...? Absolutely. But, I can't worry about that every second of every day that my children are at school. I pay my taxes in Oak Park (hi Rock!) and I can not only see where those dollars go, they are tangible. Whether it's the Park District, streets and san, or the schools. We moved here because of the schools. We moved here because we can walk to all three. But most importantly, we chose to forge good relationships with the day care provider/nanny/head mistress/principal/teachers of every place they've been.

 

We still see our nanny. We still see our in-home day care provider. We still see our Montessori head mistress and teacher. We email regularly with both of my son's teachers (Boy #1 is related to his class. Boy #2 has a sensory processing disorder, so we email/talk to his teacher more often). It's just like our parents said to us when we were younger, you take out what you put in. We are in a time now when, even if we are in a good district, we as parents make more time to help with our kids education.

 

The American Dream, at least the way I interpret it is: my kids will do better than me and I will do whatever it takes to get them there.

This will be changing soon with the proposed changes to the school funding system. Your taxes will no longer be going to your schools. Most of it will be going to schools outside of your district.

[Y2HH]

This will be changing soon with the proposed changes to the school funding system. Your taxes will no longer be going to your schools. Most of it will be going to schools outside of your district.

 

Can you elaborate on the tax changes? Where did you get this info?

[StrangeSox]

What is the difference between a nanny and an in home daycare provider

[RockRaines]

This will be changing soon with the proposed changes to the school funding system. Your taxes will no longer be going to your schools. Most of it will be going to schools outside of your district.

That can't be possible.

[ptatc]

Can you elaborate on the tax changes? Where did you get this info?

There is a proposed bill that will change the funding of the schools. Currently, Illinois is only one of two states that fund the schools by local taxes. Illinois is proposing switching to the national norm where all of the taxes for schools go into one fund and is dispersed to all schools in the state. The priorities for funding go to 1. percentage of low income students, 2. percentage of ESL and 3. percentage of special needs students. I'm not positive that is the order but those are the three priorities in the current proposal.

 

It is currently just a proposal but it has a great deal of support. The unions are sending out info as it really effects some districts.

 

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/201...-school-funding

 

http://www.rebootillinois.com/2015/03/25/e...-formula/35412/

 

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/state_edwat...gnificant_.html

 

 

Here are just a few references but you can find many more just looking online.

Edited December 16, 2015 by ptatc

[RockRaines]

There is a proposed bill that will change the funding of the schools. Currently, Illinois is only one of two states that fund the schools by local taxes. Illinois is proposing switching to the national norm where all of the taxes for schools go into one fund and is dispersed to all schools in the state. The priorities for funding go to 1. percentage of low income students, 2. percentage of ESL and 3. percentage of special needs students. I'm not positive that is the order but those are the three priorities in the current proposal.

 

It is currently just a proposal but it has a great deal of support. The unions are sending out info as it really effects some districts.

 

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/201...-school-funding

 

http://www.rebootillinois.com/2015/03/25/e...-formula/35412/

 

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/state_edwat...gnificant_.html

 

 

Here are just a few references but you can find many more just looking online.

That's not going to pass in the way you state. Even in that model most of your local taxes will stay local while some will go into a pool of which special needs and low income schools get the lions share. We have a government in place now that have taken money from special needs programs already so it's clearly not a priority.

 

Second. Won't ever happen. You aren't going to steal from the rich suburbs and give to Chicago in this state.

Edited December 16, 2015 by RockRaines

[Y2HH]

That's not going to pass in the way you state. Even in that model most of your local taxes will stay local while some will go into a pool of which special needs and low income schools get the lions share. We have a government in place now that have taken money from special needs programs already so it's clearly not a priority.

 

Second. Won't ever happen. You aren't going to steal from the rich suburbs and give to Chicago in this state.

 

I wouldn't bet on that second part...this is IL after all.

[ptatc]

That's not going to pass in the way you state. Even in that model most of your local taxes will stay local while some will go into a pool of which special needs and low income schools get the lions share. We have a government in place now that have taken money from special needs programs already so it's clearly not a priority.

 

Second. Won't ever happen. You aren't going to steal from the rich suburbs and give to Chicago in this state.

It's already passed one of them, I think the house. I do think it will pass in some form. It is more the norm for the rest of the country. Everything is on hold due to the budget impasse but eventually it will become a focus again.

 

If you look at the reference about what schools win and lose our school district (Lincolnway in New Lenox/Frankfort) will lose 4 million dollars. This is a district that is closing a school due to financial difficulties (that however is another story)

[ptatc]

That's not going to pass in the way you state. Even in that model most of your local taxes will stay local while some will go into a pool of which special needs and low income schools get the lions share. We have a government in place now that have taken money from special needs programs already so it's clearly not a priority.

 

Second. Won't ever happen. You aren't going to steal from the rich suburbs and give to Chicago in this state.

They already do that for the pension system. Chicago has a separate pension system but the rest of the state pays into it.

[RockRaines]

It's already passed one of them, I think the house. I do think it will pass in some form. It is more the norm for the rest of the country. Everything is on hold due to the budget impasse but eventually it will become a focus again.

 

If you look at the reference about what schools win and lose our school district (Lincolnway in New Lenox/Frankfort) will lose 4 million dollars. This is a district that is closing a school due to financial difficulties (that however is another story)

I don't see anywhere in there where all the taxes that now go to schools goes into one large bucket. Not only would that collapse the school systems but it would destroy the real estate market in certain areas. Chicagos school system would be a vacuum sucking up and burning cash unnecessarily.

 

Do you have sources other than blogs and political propaganda sites? I've never heard of anything like this being remotely considered at any local government meetings.

Edited December 16, 2015 by RockRaines

[RockRaines]

I wouldn't bet on that second part...this is IL after all.

They aren't going to take all the funds like he stated. They may change the pool that already exists with prior legislation but it will never be total reallocation because it's moronic.

[ptatc]

I don't see anywhere in there where all the taxes that now go to schools goes into one large bucket. Not only would that collapse the school systems but it would destroy the real estate market in certain areas. Chicagos school system would be a vacuum sucking up and burning cash unnecessarily.

 

Do you have sources other than blogs and political propaganda sites? I've never heard of anything like this being remotely considered at any local government meetings.

These were just the ones I quickly found online. If you consider them "political propaganda" sites, look around you should find something more to your liking. I believe it's SB16 that is the current version of the bill.

[ptatc]

They aren't going to take all the funds like he stated. They may change the pool that already exists with prior legislation but it will never be total reallocation because it's moronic.

Check out other states and the way they fund public school. It is the norm. This is why Illinois ranks toward the bottom in state funding each year. Because the state doesn't fund our schools for the most part it's the local taxes.

[RockRaines]

These were just the ones I quickly found online. If you consider them "political propaganda" sites, look around you should find something more to your liking. I believe it's SB16 that is the current version of the bill.

They are propaganda sites because when I click the about button that's what it states. There is a current model in place that contributes some money towards a state pool for allocation and the new bill which isn't anything like what you said isn't much different. Your original statement was that most of our money that now goes towards our local schools will now go towards others outside of our districts and that's categorically false.

Edited December 16, 2015 by RockRaines

[ptatc]

They are propaganda sites because when I click the about button that's what it states. There is a current model in place that contributes some money towards a state pool for allocation and the new bill which isn't anything like what you said isn't much different. Your original statement was that most of our money that now goes towards our local schools will now go towards others outside of our districts and that's categorically false.

I'm sure not all of the sites said that. Anyway as I said they were just ones I found with a quick search. From my understanding there will be a major shift in how much of the money from local taxes goes to the state. I'm pretty sure it's SB16 is the one.

 

I do not think what I said is false. From all of the discussion of the Bill at the universities and the funding issues from our district these are the issues in the Bill.

[RockRaines]

I'm sure not all of the sites said that. Anyway as I said they were just ones I found with a quick search. From my understanding there will be a major shift in how much of the money from local taxes goes to the state. I'm pretty sure it's SB16 is the one.

 

I do not think what I said is false. From all of the discussion of the Bill at the universities and the funding issues from our district these are the issues in the Bill.

SB1 (the new bill) will not allocate all of my taxes that go to my local schools out of the district. That's false.

[ptatc]

SB1 (the new bill) will not allocate all of my taxes that go to my local schools out of the district. That's false.

SB 1 is the pension reform act not the school funding reform act.

 

Here is a IBHE power point summarizing the proposed bill. It says that the state will raise the % of local property tax that goes to the state to 95% from 44%.

 

http://www.isbe.net/budget/FY15/fy15-sb16-ppt.pdf

[Y2HH]

SB 1 is the pension reform act not the school funding reform act.

 

Here is a IBHE power point summarizing the proposed bill. It says that the state will raise the % of local property tax that goes to the state to 95% from 44%.

 

http://www.isbe.net/budget/FY15/fy15-sb16-ppt.pdf

 

SB16 got shot down, it's now part of SB1.

[RockRaines]

SB 1 is the pension reform act not the school funding reform act.

 

Here is a IBHE power point summarizing the proposed bill. It says that the state will raise the % of local property tax that goes to the state to 95% from 44%.

 

http://www.isbe.net/budget/FY15/fy15-sb16-ppt.pdf

SB1 has the reformed 2015 version of SB16. And what is changing is the amount of state funded allocation that is already in place.

Edited December 16, 2015 by RockRaines

[ptatc]

SB1 has the reformed 2015 version of SB16. And what is changing is the amount of state funded allocation that is already in place.

I hope you're right but i don't think that is correct. i can't find any information that SB 1 has anything but retirement issue included. I know SB 16 was defeated, that's why I said proposed. I know that it is still a priority in springfield and they will work on it again after the budget impasse.

 

Edit: OK, I found the section that you are referring too. There is a section in SB 1 in which it's described. The keys there are that the ISBE can decide how to determine what a low income student is and that districts with higher % of special needs will get up to 5% more of the funding than before. The biggest change is how local available resources are determined and allocated. This is where you will see the big difference in the school funding.

 

Isn't this the one found unconstitutional by the Illinois Supreme Court? Does that effect this?

Edited December 16, 2015 by ptatc

[RockRaines]

You will see a difference in the state funding for some schools, particularly the ones who have high income per student but in no way is it taking all of my local taxes for other districts. If that happened local governments would be force to defund that avenue of funding and find another way to get money for local schools like sales tax and privatization. There would be a huge uproar.

[ptatc]

You will see a difference in the state funding for some schools, particularly the ones who have high income per student but in no way is it taking all of my local taxes for other districts. If that happened local governments would be force to defund that avenue of funding and find another way to get money for local schools like sales tax and privatization. There would be a huge uproar.

Isn't this the bill that the Supreme court found unconstitutional for the pension reforms? Will that effect this part.

 

Also, you will find a big difference in funding for the schools with few special needs students.