Saufley Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 11:58 AM) i feel like something is going to happen today One day someone will be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 12:16 PM) Okay, campers, rise and shine, and don't forget your booties 'cause it's cooooold out there today. I'm doing some research on OFers today...primarily defense. One of my favorite stats is runs saved. Edited January 7, 2016 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 12:16 PM) Okay, campers, rise and shine, and don't forget your booties 'cause it's cooooold out there today. QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 12:24 PM) I'm doing some research on OFers today...primarily defense. One of my favorite stats is runs saved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 11:22 AM) I'm guessing that is what it is. And if the White Sox were the competition with KC for Gordon, why would KC have had to offer 4 years with an option for a 5th if the White Sox were only offering 3? That is another thing that doesn't make much sense. So either the Sox were offering 4 or 3 with an easily attainable 4th year vesting option or another team was offering 4. This is a great point. My guess is that the White sox offered something like 4 years and $75-$80 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Some interesting things to point out just from a quick glance. Dexter Fowler was essentially responsible for 20 runs scored in 2014 and around 13 last year. As opposed to Jason Heyward who was +24(saved). Cespedes was also better than Alex Gordon in that department. Alex Gordon dropped off pretty significantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Brian Bilek @ChiSoxraBBit 6m6 minutes ago Everyone freaking out about the #WhiteSox supposedly not willing to go more than three years should take a step back. Brian Bilek @ChiSoxraBBit 5m5 minutes ago The #WhiteSox are never straightforward with anything financial in the media. They never have been and they shouldn't be. Discretion is key. Brian Bilek @ChiSoxraBBit 4m4 minutes ago Why would KC give Gordon four years with a 5th year option if the #WhiteSox were only offering three years? They wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 07:43 PM) Some interesting things to point out just from a quick glance. Dexter Fowler was essentially responsible for 20 runs scored in 2014 and around 13 last year. As opposed to Jason Heyward who was +24(saved). Cespedes was also better than Alex Gordon in that department. Alex Gordon dropped off pretty significantly. I never understood the Sox paying a premium for LF defense with Gordon given the smaller dimensions at the Cell compared to KC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 https://soundcloud.com/mlbtr Pretty interesting comments by Merkin. Talks about the Frazier trade and the big OFers. Mentions Sox have checked in on all 3 Colorado OFers, but Rockies wanted Quintana for CarGo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 02:08 PM) https://soundcloud.com/mlbtr Pretty interesting comments by Merkin. Talks about the Frazier trade and the big OFers. Mentions Sox have checked in on all 3 Colorado OFers, but Rockies wanted Quintana for CarGo. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 12:43 PM) Some interesting things to point out just from a quick glance. Dexter Fowler was essentially responsible for 20 runs scored in 2014 and around 13 last year. As opposed to Jason Heyward who was +24(saved). Cespedes was also better than Alex Gordon in that department. Alex Gordon dropped off pretty significantly. Hard to draw any conclusions when he was injured for six plus weeks on a counting stat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 01:07 PM) I never understood the Sox paying a premium for LF defense with Gordon given the smaller dimensions at the Cell compared to KC Otoh, we paid a premium for offensive potential in Cabrera and didn't get any there, either. But yeah, it's the same reason guys like Heyward and Parra would make less sense...unless we were playing in Old Comiskey. A lot of the value for Cespedes and Gordon is related to their arms and preventing extra bases from being taken...and that's still relevant, as we saw with Viciedo in 2012 as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 07:31 PM) Otoh, we paid a premium for offensive potential in Cabrera and didn't get any there, either. Gordon would have received the biggest contract in Sox history. Melky's deal is hardly a "premium", despite how much you want to try and spin the Gordon deal from KC's side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 12:49 PM) Brian Bilek @ChiSoxraBBit 6m6 minutes ago Everyone freaking out about the #WhiteSox supposedly not willing to go more than three years should take a step back. Brian Bilek @ChiSoxraBBit 5m5 minutes ago The #WhiteSox are never straightforward with anything financial in the media. They never have been and they shouldn't be. Discretion is key. Brian Bilek @ChiSoxraBBit 4m4 minutes ago Why would KC give Gordon four years with a 5th year option if the #WhiteSox were only offering three years? They wouldn't. This is promising news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 01:31 PM) Otoh, we paid a premium for offensive potential in Cabrera and didn't get any there, either. But yeah, it's the same reason guys like Heyward and Parra would make less sense...unless we were playing in Old Comiskey. A lot of the value for Cespedes and Gordon is related to their arms and preventing extra bases from being taken...and that's still relevant, as we saw with Viciedo in 2012 as well. Melky has a really good arm. Had 8 assists last year and 13 the year before that. It's one reason the Royals offered him 4 years before last season to play RF for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 01:25 PM) Hard to draw any conclusions when he was injured for six plus weeks on a counting stat... That's certainly true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 01:37 PM) This is promising news. It's not really news. He just has the same ideas a lot of people on here think as well. It's true that they never are straight forward to the media out about anything really. I could have tweeted that myself. Edited January 7, 2016 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 If the Sox are going to wait as Merkin suggests, then I hope they go ahead and grab Jackson ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 01:55 PM) If the Sox are going to wait as Merkin suggests, then I hope they go ahead and grab Jackson ASAP. Jackson? As in Austin Jackson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 01:55 PM) If the Sox are going to wait as Merkin suggests, then I hope they go ahead and grab Jackson ASAP. Why would they do it ASAP? Why not wait until the other guys are signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Jackson definitely is the best buy low guy right now...as Parra, Span and Fowler go up in price incrementally from Jackson's expected $7.5-9 million range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 01:58 PM) Jackson definitely is the best buy low guy right now...as Parra, Span and Fowler go up in price incrementally from Jackson's expected $7.5-9 million range. Yeah I'm not opposed at all to Austin Jackson but if we're possibly in on the other guys, then might as well wait on them first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Brian Bilek @ChiSoxraBBit 4m4 minutes ago Why would KC give Gordon four years with a 5th year option if the #WhiteSox were only offering three years? They wouldn't. Um, because it was a mutual option that seems like it only will be plausible in a very specific circumstance What are the odds the team thinks he's worth an extra $19 million that season and his side is content with a 1 year, $23 million deal? That probably means it gives each side a tiny bit of leverage to hold onto him and negotiate an extension if he decides to finish a career there and if the Royals can afford his last couple years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 02:00 PM) Um, because it was a mutual option that seems like it only will be plausible in a very specific circumstance What are the odds the team thinks he's worth an extra $19 million that season and his side is content with a 1 year, $23 million deal? That probably means it gives each side a tiny bit of leverage to hold onto him and negotiate an extension if he decides to finish a career there and if the Royals can afford his last couple years. I think he was moreso referring to the 4th year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 03:05 PM) I think he was moreso referring to the 4th year. That part seems obvious, they'd give him the 4th year because the White Sox were offering 3 years and they upped their deal to beat that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 02:56 PM) Jackson? As in Austin Jackson? Tito Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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