Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Here we go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 FWIW, the draft pick might actually be something the Sox could want to give up in a signing like this, as it would actually save them a couple of million dollars, during the draft process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 George Ofman @georgeofman 25s25 seconds ago Chicago, IL Either Cespedes or Upton could sign for one or two years. Sox more interested in Cespedes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 03:05 PM) Really! The sox have held to the 3 year deal but as upton becomes interested it might go 4? It's called negotiations. Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 04:05 PM) Between Upton and Cespedes, which guy do you think is more likely to sign with the Sox? Before the offseason, Upton. Now it's Cespedes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 03:07 PM) FWIW, the draft pick might actually be something the Sox could want to give up in a signing like this, as it would actually save them a couple of million dollars, during the draft process. That's an interesting thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 02:57 PM) So Upton has gone from being uninterested in playing for the Sox to intrigued, now? When was it said that Upton was uninterested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 03:06 PM) The best part about the report, if true, is that they're willing to go 4 years Of course it is. The 3 year was media released negotiations with these two. I have no doubt it was true for gordon. RH has number and he is sticking to it. Agent want 5-6 RH wants 3, they meet in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 03:09 PM) When was it said that Upton was uninterested? That's what I'm wondering as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 09:07 PM) Here we go... Probably not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 03:11 PM) Probably not Yeah, these seem to be hard fought negotiations and the agents aren't getting near what they wanted. They are going to fight for every nickel now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 The more that I've thought about it, the more convinced I have become. The player we acquire should be playing for another contract. I don't want to sign a guy to his last contract, and run the risk that he becomes significantly less motivated. So I don't care. Get a guy who will be a free agent in a couple years, or sign a longer deal, but with an opt out for the player. Whatever it takes to avoid having a guy on "easy street," with no more big pay days. For all we know, that is what motivated both Frazier and Cespedes to have career years, last season. I want that incentive to remain a part of their mental approach to their games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 09:13 PM) Yeah, these seem to be hard fought negotiations and the agents aren't getting near what they wanted. They are going to fight for every nickel now. And they have no reason to sign until Chris Davis does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Exactly. The Upton thing is all jockeying for Cespedes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 03:06 PM) The best part about the report, if true, is that they're willing to go 4 years I think they've always been willing to go four years. They are just creating leverage for themselves. Offer three, pretend to stick to it, then "cave" and get a deal done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 03:14 PM) And they have no reason to sign until Chris Davis does Correct. His deal seems to be the only l8ng term offer out there. This could drag out until ST with the agents playing chicken with the GMs who seem to be holding there ground. The only thing that could change is if one FA decides this is the best they will get and sign ie, Davis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 09:18 PM) Correct. His deal seems to be the only l8ng term offer out there. This could drag out until ST with the agents playing chicken with the GMs who seem to be holding there ground. The only thing that could change is if one FA decides this is the best they will get and sign ie, Davis. I don't think it will last that long, as the Orioles are going to have to eventually get one of the guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 03:17 PM) Exactly. The Upton thing is all jockeying for Cespedes. agreed. Leak that Upton is intrigued to get Cespedes camp to feel the heat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 04:06 PM) The best part about the report, if true, is that they're willing to go 4 years Meh. IMO there's little doubt they're willing to do it. It's all game and the sox are playing it to a t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 03:18 PM) I don't think it will last that long, as the Orioles are going to have to eventually get one of the guys. Only if Davis decides the 7 year deal is the best one. I don't think the orioles are going to raise it much, Boras is not going to get them to bid against themselves this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 03:14 PM) And they have no reason to sign until Chris Davis does Someone is going to get left standing. With the market having 3 big time bats (Davis, Upton, Cespedes) on it, but only a couple of teams still having some cash and openings, you really don't want to be the last guy left standing. There is a big incentive to sign first, and maybe second. Signing 3rd is bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 03:31 PM) Someone is going to get left standing. With the market having 3 big time bats (Davis, Upton, Cespedes) on it, but only a couple of teams still having some cash and openings, you really don't want to be the last guy left standing. There is a big incentive to sign first, and maybe second. Signing 3rd is bad. And things will get much worse if the Rockies sign Parra and trade another OF. That adds another bat to the market, but no more teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 01:31 PM) Someone is going to get left standing. With the market having 3 big time bats (Davis, Upton, Cespedes) on it, but only a couple of teams still having some cash and openings, you really don't want to be the last guy left standing. There is a big incentive to sign first, and maybe second. Signing 3rd is bad. This is my biggest worry with the Sox. I'm worried either Cespedes or Upton will sign with a team & then the pressure will be heavily on them. Obviously Chris Davis isn't an option for the Sox, which makes one of the other two signing a bigger deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 03:09 PM) When was it said that Upton was uninterested? It wasn't. Pure speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 09:32 PM) And things will get much worse if the Rockies sign Parra and trade another OF. That adds another bat to the market, but no more teams. Not if it's a simple Parra to Rockies, Cargo to Cardinals. That would actually be bad for the Sox, as Parra is more likely a possibility for Nats/Angels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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