OmarComing25 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 07:37 PM) I've been out most of the afternoon. Have I missed anything or still the same? Nothing really new except for Rosenthal going from saying the Nats have offered 5 years to saying it "could be 5 years". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 The player that saved the Mets season was looking for a mega-deal, and now he's getting squashed in free agency http://www.businessinsider.com/yoenis-cesp...-to-plan-2016-1 Awful lot of stuff written about the uncertainty in signing Cespedes long term. Seems more and more every day. Is there something to the " red flags " that have been written about? The smoking between innings doesn't bother me but the other stuff does to some extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 “He doesn’t put any effort into his defense,’’ a National League scout told the Sun-Times. “He’s an immensely talented guy but he’s moody and he’s no factor whatsoever in the clubhouse. He can throw, but there’s the effort. “When you’re looking to make an investment of 100 million dollars you want some guarantees.’’ http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/7/71/12...year-offer-nats I think maybe fathom has been right all along in his views on Cespedes. I really hope the Sox have moved on and can find an outfielder elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 07:51 PM) http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/7/71/12...year-offer-nats I think maybe fathom has been right all along in his views on Cespedes. I really hope the Sox have moved on and can find an outfielder elsewhere. If Chicago writers are starting to call him lazy, that is a bad sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 07:41 PM) http://www.businessinsider.com/yoenis-cesp...-to-plan-2016-1 Awful lot of stuff written about the uncertainty in signing Cespedes long term. Seems more and more every day. Is there something to the " red flags " that have been written about? The smoking between innings doesn't bother me but the other stuff does to some extent. Wait, what? Yo rips party darts between innings!? That's hilarious if true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 07:51 PM) http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/7/71/12...year-offer-nats I think maybe fathom has been right all along in his views on Cespedes. I really hope the Sox have moved on and can find an outfielder elsewhere. Hey, chopped liver here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 01:52 AM) If Chicago writers are starting to call him lazy, that is a bad sign. Yep, he's not coming here. Here come the reasons why. Edited January 22, 2016 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 01:56 AM) Hey, chopped liver here. Problem is Fowler could come off the market to the Cubs as well. Things look bleak at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Lazy defensively yet was one of the better LFers according to DRS last year...how interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 07:53 PM) Wait, what? Yo rips party darts between innings!? That's hilarious if true. Lol, ya its been written about for a while now. I remember Caulfield bringing it up last fall. It's been coming out more and more lately. Have a look... “Not that Cespedes is a bad guy, according to sources, so much as someone ‘who marches to his own drumbeat’ and apparently irritated the Mets at times by not taking batting practice, not hustling during games at times and constantly smoking cigarettes between innings.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-l...gn-with-a-team/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 07:58 PM) Problem is Fowler could come off the market to the Cubs as well. Things look bleak at the moment. I didn't see the Fowler to the cubs info. That would put a damper on the process Edited January 22, 2016 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 03:03 AM) I didn't see tge Fowler to the cubs info. That would put a damper on the process Interesting emoji with tweet. Julie Dicaro also speculated about Tampa trade today. https://mobile.twitter.com/DexterFowler/sta...327354103599104 Edited January 22, 2016 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 08:57 PM) Yep, he's not coming here. Here come the reasons why. "Where would he play?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (Big Hurtin @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 02:06 AM) "Where would he play?" East coast preference stories to come Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 07:56 PM) Hey, chopped liver here. Oh come on, you've been Cespedes BIGGEST cheerleader! Just kidding. Ptatc, you have been there with fathom every step of the way. To a lesser extent so have I since I never liked Cespedes' 6/150 asking price nor the idea of wrapping up so much money into one player on a team of 25. Edited January 22, 2016 by BlackSox13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Here's Cespedes in the locker room according to beat writers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 08:08 PM) Here's Cespedes in the locker room according to beat writers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 08:41 PM) http://www.businessinsider.com/yoenis-cesp...-to-plan-2016-1 Awful lot of stuff written about the uncertainty in signing Cespedes long term. Seems more and more every day. Is there something to the " red flags " that have been written about? The smoking between innings doesn't bother me but the other stuff does to some extent. I also think teams are scared to go long term because they might think he's more 2013-2014 vs what may have been a career year in 2015. Cespedes was just a touch over league average as a hitter in 13/14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 08:08 PM) Here's Cespedes in the locker room according to beat writers Cheers, b@#*ch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 07:41 PM) http://www.businessinsider.com/yoenis-cesp...-to-plan-2016-1 Awful lot of stuff written about the uncertainty in signing Cespedes long term. Seems more and more every day. Is there something to the " red flags " that have been written about? The smoking between innings doesn't bother me but the other stuff does to some extent. Now that all the bad stuff is coming out we're sure to sign him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Heh when I heard about cigarettes in the dugout that's what I thought of....smoking on the sideline before a kick lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Plenty of great ballplayers smoke. These guys aren't playing wide receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 01:00 AM) hi8is has gone crazy this month... Granted, as one who gets emotional from time to time, he's REALLY taking this hard. In the back of your mind as a White Sox fan, you have to be conditioned to at least expect to be disappointed and then it's easier to be pleasantly surprised. The last time I was REALLY excited about the White Sox was heading into 2009 after the 2008 playoffs and we had Beckham and Viciedo on the horizon. Probably followed more Barons games that year in the first half than White Sox games in the second half this year. Of course, almost all of the touted prospects from that team have fallen off the face of the earth. As far as Cespedes goes, it's safe to say he's probably not going to put up another 6 WAR season. He's much more likely to be at 3-4. That would be worth roughly $24.5 per year (avg. war of 3.5) on the FA market, or basically $98 million for four. Anything over 4 years or $100 million and the White Sox should turn somewhere else. The end. i really don't know what is going on, i am just reading, but when i saw this, i laugh. Hi8is really cracks me up, since he first posted. back then he always responded in a he person like funnnyyyyy. i know this is not about baseball, but i needed a little relief and humor. peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 02:17 AM) Heh when I heard about cigarettes in the dugout that's what I thought of....smoking on the sideline before a kick lol sounds like he is a chain smoker maybe. another smoker who smoke like that was Roger Maris...... the movie 61 showed him smoking like s fiend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 08:12 PM) I also think teams are scared to go long term because they might think he's more 2013-2014 vs what may have been a career year in 2015. Cespedes was just a touch over league average as a hitter in 13/14. I think you're right. 13/14 is probably closer to what can be expected from Cespedes going forward. A few days ago I mentioned Cespedes could be the player we've seen have a career year just before FA and regress with his new contract. Cespedes is looking to get paid based on his career year but how many think he will continue to perform at that level for the length of the contract? Not me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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