Knackattack Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 08:54 PM) What is with all the fascination with Ian Desmond on here? He is the type of player that the Sox should be avoiding. He is a good defensive shortstop who will hit 20+ HR and steal 15-20 bases and won't be overly expensive. Also willing to play other positions so a multiyear deal is an option. He has literally had 1 bad year and it happened to be in a contract season, a reverse Cespedes. You hope Desmond can bounce back for cheap rather than hoping Cespedes can maintain for 27.5m Edited January 23, 2016 by Knackattack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 If he doesn't opt out, it almost definitely means he didn't come anywhere close to repeating his 2015 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB2.0 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:54 PM) What is with all the fascination with Ian Desmond on here? He is the type of player that the Sox should be avoiding. Until last year...his numbers were really sick. If he could be had with a cheap, incentive laden deal with just a one year club commitment...that'd be a very worthwhile signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:54 PM) What is with all the fascination with Ian Desmond on here? He is the type of player that the Sox should be avoiding. He's the opposite of Cespedes. Great/underrated player at most important position on the field in the prime of his career. Buy low instead of overpay. Clearly was affected by off-field issues last year. If Marcus Semien is 8th, he's top five if he plays like the previous seasons...you have Correa and Lindor, Crawford, Bogaerts...aging Tulo and Andrelton Simmons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 God knows I have too many posts in this thread that were anti-Cespedes, but for those that wanted him....would you have been ok with paying him 27.5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:59 PM) He is a good defensive shortstop who will hit 20+ HR and won't be overly expensive. Also willing to play other positions so a multiyear deal is an option. He has literally had 1 bad year and it happened to be in a contract season, a reverse Cespedes. You hope Desmond can bounce back for cheap rather than hoping Cespedes can maintain for 27.5m -"Good defensive shortstop" is a bit of a stretch -Will hit 20+ HR? That's a huge assumption. He hit 19 last year and may struggle converting to the AL. Nothing is guaranteed. -He can be willing to play other positions all he wants, but his defense there will likely not be very good -Agree with your last sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 27.5 pretty much has to assure everyone that he opts out (cause the remaining money on that deal would be way less than a deal a year from now...unless he is hurt or totally tanks). That is a real hefty price to pay for 1 year (that said I don't blame the Mets). Clearly Cespedes wanted to stay in New York and leveraged everyone else and unless someone offered him a legit longer term deal with a lot of guaranteed money, he was going to go to the Mets. Now things are finally going to get interesting. Lets see how the Sox pivot. Maybe Desmond and Jackson or Desmond and a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:58 PM) I won't be all that surprised when Avi puts up better offensive numbers than Cespedes next year. I'd sign Jackson, move Eaton to left, and Melky to DH. Desmond, I really have no opinion on him and don't care if they sign him , or not. I'd just as soon let Saladino and Sanchez battle it out for SS. Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:02 PM) -"Good defensive shortstop" is a bit of a stretch -Will hit 20+ HR? That's a huge assumption. He hit 19 last year and may struggle converting to the AL. Nothing is guaranteed. -He can be willing to play other positions all he wants, but his defense there will likely not be very good -Agree with your last sentence It's not a huge assumption that he'll hit 20 HR, he just had 19 in a clear down year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:02 PM) God knows I have too many posts in this thread that were anti-Cespedes, but for those that wanted him....would you have been ok with paying him 27.5? I wanted Cespedes, and want nothing to do with that 1 year 27.5 million contract (that's what it essentially is) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:02 PM) 27.5 pretty much has to assure everyone that he opts out (cause the remaining money on that deal would be way less than a deal a year from now...unless he is hurt or totally tanks). That is a real hefty price to pay for 1 year (that said I don't blame the Mets). Clearly Cespedes wanted to stay in New York and leveraged everyone else and unless someone offered him a legit longer term deal with a lot of guaranteed money, he was going to go to the Mets. Now things are finally going to get interesting. Lets see how the Sox pivot. Maybe Desmond and Jackson or Desmond and a trade. The clear answer is Desmond & Jackson, but I wouldn't be opposed to a Desmond & trade for one of the Colorado OFers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:04 PM) It's not a huge assumption that he'll hit 20 HR, he just had 19 in a clear down year. And his career average is 19 HR/162 games. I'm not saying this to nitpick at 19 vs. 20. There are other factors that may cause a drop in power. He could have trouble adjusting to the AL, like LaRoche and Dunn did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord chas Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 That is just crazy insane money. Further illustrates the need to draft better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:02 PM) God knows I have too many posts in this thread that were anti-Cespedes, but for those that wanted him....would you have been ok with paying him 27.5? Only if you could guarantee a 5-6 war season. In other words, no. The Mets' situation coming off the surprising World Series appearance is different than ours...and they can't afford him long-term. Not to mention they have the ability to trade Harvey (assuming he remains 100% healthy) to replace Cespedes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 06:02 AM) 27.5 pretty much has to assure everyone that he opts out (cause the remaining money on that deal would be way less than a deal a year from now...unless he is hurt or totally tanks). That is a real hefty price to pay for 1 year (that said I don't blame the Mets). Clearly Cespedes wanted to stay in New York and leveraged everyone else and unless someone offered him a legit longer term deal with a lot of guaranteed money, he was going to go to the Mets. Now things are finally going to get interesting. Lets see how the Sox pivot. Maybe Desmond and Jackson or Desmond and a trade. i think some sports writer said in another thread, the sox FO stated they will not go after any one that will cost a draft pick. i hope i got it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 06:05 AM) The clear answer is Desmond & Jackson, but I wouldn't be opposed to a Desmond & trade for one of the Colorado OFers. Yep, I'm on board with that. I don't think Jackson or Fowler is happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I just don't want avi in RF put him in the minors and see if he can learn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 09:02 PM) -"Good defensive shortstop" is a bit of a stretch -Will hit 20+ HR? That's a huge assumption. He hit 19 last year and may struggle converting to the AL. Nothing is guaranteed. -He can be willing to play other positions all he wants, but his defense there will likely not be very good -Agree with your last sentence Desmond - Positive defensive WAR the past 5 years Hit 20 HR three out of the last four seasons.. and the one time he missed the 20 mark he hit 19 I'm sure he could slide over to 2nd/3rd and be okay. This is a rangey shortstop with a good arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB2.0 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 12:04 AM) I wanted Cespedes, and want nothing to do with that 1 year 27.5 million contract (that's what it essentially is) With you, here. That has to be the dumbest deal in baseball history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 For me, I would have been pissed if a team signed him for something like 3/65. However, I'm at peace with what he got and Sox not offering. All the best to the Mets in the NL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (lord chas @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 06:06 AM) That is just crazy insane money. Further illustrates the need to draft better it is getting there, they just really need to blow the int't draft away and go over.... get as many prospects the team can. then let their development sort them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:07 PM) Yep, I'm on board with that. I don't think Jackson or Fowler is happening. Signing Desmond and trading Avi and Adams for CarGo. I think that would work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 12:07 AM) i think some sports writer said in another thread, the sox FO stated they will not go after any one that will cost a draft pick. i hope i got it right. I hope you got that right too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 06:09 AM) Signing Desmond and trading Avi and Adams for CarGo. I think that would work. That would be beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 06:09 AM) For me, I would have been pissed if a team signed him for something like 3/65. However, I'm at peace with what he got and Sox not offering. All the best to the Mets in the NL all i am going to say it they better kick the shiiiite out of the norhtside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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