caulfield12 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 It seems that if there are 6-7 credible possibilities for Chris Davis, the market for Cespedes and Upton should be just as wide open, especially for American League teams who can rotate at DH as well. I suppose it also depends for most of those teams how confident they actually are sticking Davis at a corner outfield spot for a year or two (eg. Detroit/Texas). Then we still don't know exactly how many teams are going to be drawn into a one-year deal for Upton...and how much of this 2 or 3 year/opt-out versus a 5 year guaranteed deal on Cespedes is gumming up the mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 12, 2016 -> 07:45 PM) It seems that if there are 6-7 credible possibilities for Chris Davis, the market for Cespedes and Upton should be just as wide open, especially for American League teams who can rotate at DH as well. I suppose it also depends for most of those teams how confident they actually are sticking Davis at a corner outfield spot for a year or two (eg. Detroit/Texas). Then we still don't know exactly how many teams are going to be drawn into a one-year deal for Upton...and how much of this 2 or 3 year/opt-out versus a 5 year guaranteed deal on Cespedes is gumming up the mix. Who the hell are these six to seven credible suitors for Davis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 12, 2016 -> 05:03 PM) The FO made the trade so blame it on the the FO. What differnce is it if it was RH, KW or JR. This was the consensus trade. None of them work by themselves. Not to mention that we've gotten pretty decent value out of the other pieces in this trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 http://nypost.com/2016/01/12/will-yoenis-c...eal-he-expects/ “I think it is just a matter of time,” one top decision-maker for a National League team said, on the condition of anonymity. “I don’t see any reason. Solid agent. Solid player.” Said another high-ranking front-office member of a second NL club: “He is a very good player. There should be a market for him.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 12, 2016 -> 07:36 PM) The market could not be setting itself up better for the Sox. I completely agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 What about a 3 or 4 year offer with the 1st 2 years being guaranteed of $20m/$25/$25/$20 with a player opt out after the 2nd year? Does Cespedes, or Upton for that matter, sign that if offered? Would that do it, or would someone beat that offer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Jan 13, 2016 -> 03:48 AM) What about a 3 or 4 year offer with the 1st 2 years being guaranteed of $20m/$25/$25/$20 with a player opt out after the 2nd year? Does Cespedes, or Upton for that matter, sign that if offered? Would that do it, or would someone beat that offer? I think this is only type of deal that could work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Nothing will ever happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/free-ag...in-upton-011216 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jan 13, 2016 -> 09:19 AM) http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/free-ag...in-upton-011216 Good article by Morosi with a few good points. Things don't look so good for Upton/Cespedes and their quest for the long term big money contract they have been seeking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 12, 2016 -> 07:48 PM) Who the hell are these six to seven credible suitors for Davis? Cardinals, Orioles, Rangers, Tigers, Angels....there's a more detailed article in the Davis opening post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Baseball Essential @BB_Essential 16m16 minutes ago Report: Mets remain in contact with Yoenis Cespedes (@RobertMurrayBBE) http://www.baseballessential.com/news/2016...oenis-cespedes/ … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 13, 2016 -> 10:40 AM) Baseball Essential @BB_Essential 16m16 minutes ago Report: Mets remain in contact with Yoenis Cespedes (@RobertMurrayBBE) http://www.baseballessential.com/news/2016...oenis-cespedes/ … The Mets did free up some money when Cuddyer retired. I wouldn't rule them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 13, 2016 -> 10:40 AM) Baseball Essential @BB_Essential 16m16 minutes ago Report: Mets remain in contact with Yoenis Cespedes (@RobertMurrayBBE) http://www.baseballessential.com/news/2016...oenis-cespedes/ … From some light reading it seems a lot of Mets fans doubt they would go longer than 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 QUOTE (bjm676 @ Jan 13, 2016 -> 10:57 AM) The Mets did free up some money when Cuddyer retired. I wouldn't rule them out. That's a good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 13, 2016 -> 10:58 AM) From some light reading it seems a lot of Mets fans doubt they would go longer than 2 years. So Rotoworld is now reporting that the Braves have some interest. Mets still not wanting to go over 2-3 years. When are the Sox going to swoop in and sign Cespedes to the 4 year deal. I thought the Braves were rebuilding and why would they have interest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Braves, Mets, Tigers, etc all having interest just shows me that there is a ton of interest for him but no one willing to meet his demands... Yet. It's only a matter of time before one of these teams (all with different set prices) finally reach a "selling point" & pull the trigger. I simply can't see that being the Sox at this point. Not to mention, they are at $120M after arb projections. Not sure I can see them pushing to $140M+ in 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 13, 2016 -> 02:09 PM) Braves, Mets, Tigers, etc all having interest just shows me that there is a ton of interest for him but no one willing to meet his demands... Yet. It's only a matter of time before one of these teams (all with different set prices) finally reach a "selling point" & pull the trigger. I simply can't see that being the Sox at this point. Not to mention, they are at $120M after arb projections. Not sure I can see them pushing to $140M+ in 2016. You are probably right. Thanks for bringing me back to my senses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 QUOTE (Saufley @ Jan 13, 2016 -> 12:12 PM) You are probably right. Thanks for bringing me back to my senses. I think they'll upgrade at in 1 or 2 more spots (OF being 1) but after putting things into perspective, it's simply hard to see them having a competitive offer (even at 4 years), while backloading a deal & possibly throwing in an opt out (trendy new thing to do). I'm starting to think even a guy like Dexter Fowler may be at the high point of their price range. I could be completely wrong here but numbers aren't really adding up to look realistic enough for me to see them actually doing something big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 QUOTE (Saufley @ Jan 13, 2016 -> 02:04 PM) So Rotoworld is now reporting that the Braves have some interest. Mets still not wanting to go over 2-3 years. When are the Sox going to swoop in and sign Cespedes to the 4 year deal. I thought the Braves were rebuilding and why would they have interest? Put some fans in the seats and trade him in a year or two without giving up a draft pick now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 When I really look at it, the Sox would have to buck 2 major trends: 1. Raising their payroll up to an all-time high. 2. Giving a franchise record-breaking contract to a player (much less a guy probably over 30). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 13, 2016 -> 02:21 PM) When I really look at it, the Sox would have to buck 2 major trends: 1. Raising their payroll up to an all-time high. 2. Giving a franchise record-breaking contract to a player (much less a guy probably over 30). Both those things are going to have to happen at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 13, 2016 -> 12:22 PM) Both those things are going to have to happen at some point. Both in 1 year, though? $140M payroll would be about $21M higher than last year. It's just starting to look somewhat unrealistic to expect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venom4789 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 So is the waiting game a good thing for us, not to be negative but i feel like normally we would have signed them already. Really want cespedes or at least upton, but im starting to prepare myself for a second tier now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 QUOTE (venom4789 @ Jan 13, 2016 -> 12:23 PM) So is the waiting game a good thing for us, not to be negative but i feel like normally we would have signed them already. Really want cespedes or at least upton, but im starting to prepare myself for a second tier now. Everyone has their own theory but mine all along has been the same. The longer they wait, the lower the price. Which is fine but more teams will jump into the race & IMHO, I don't think the Sox are that attractive of a team to be competing for a top FA. Overall, I don't think it's a good thing. I'll gladly be proven wrong but I've already moved on from Upton as a whole & have little hope for Cespedes. Best case at this point may be either a trade or Fowler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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