BlackSox13 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 06:27 PM) I will say this, if the Orioles land Cespedes for a contract in that range, then I'm going to f***ing enraged. I can believe Baltimore is offering 5 years but I think Crasnick is way off on the dollar amount. That proposed offer is in the range of what Gordon got and Cespedes should get more than that. Unless the offer is for 3/4 years 75-90M range, that would make more sense. Crasnick's numbers don't jive that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 06:09 PM) I hear ya, I'm really intrigued as well. The Rockies have the money and opening at 1B but I'm not so sure they would match or exceed the 7/150M Baltimore offered. Boras is one of the best at what he does but I think he and Davis were stupid for turning down the Baltimore offer. Imo, Boras selling Davis as a corner outfielder in a market flooded with outfielders is a desperate attempt to gain interest from more teams, and its failing. Rox or anyone else wont have to match 7 yrs, etc if Balt signs Cespedes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 This seems all about leverage for Davis to me. Especially when mentioned that they're possibly moving on. This is pressure put on by Baltimore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 12:39 AM) I can believe Baltimore is offering 5 years but I think Crasnick is way off on the dollar amount. That proposed offer is in the range of what Gordon got and Cespedes should get more than that. Unless the offer is for 3/4 years 75-90M range, that would make more sense. Crasnick's numbers don't jive that's for sure. I could be wrong, but this seems like a push to get Davis to decide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 07:40 PM) I could be wrong, but this seems like a push to get Davis to decide Bingo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 06:40 PM) I could be wrong, but this seems like a push to get Davis to decide Could be, but that usually doesn't work with Boras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Baltimore might as well move on and say f*** Chris Davis. Cespedes will be less money, years and with Davis still out there to sign with another team, you can still receive a comp pick for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 01:39 AM) I can believe Baltimore is offering 5 years but I think Crasnick is way off on the dollar amount. That proposed offer is in the range of what Gordon got and Cespedes should get more than that. Unless the offer is for 3/4 years 75-90M range, that would make more sense. Crasnick's numbers don't jive that's for sure. There's no doubt in my mind if he takes something like 5/80, it tells me teams had red flags about how he'll perform going forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 06:39 PM) Rox or anyone else wont have to match 7 yrs, etc if Balt signs Cespedes No doubt about it. It's very possible Boras/Davis have already turned down the best offer they will get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Also if Sox offered him this deal we would all say they weren't serious about getting him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 06:40 PM) I could be wrong, but this seems like a push to get Davis to decide It could very well be but going by recent articles written, Baltimore comes off as being pretty frustrated so they may have decided to move on. Baltimore has money to burn and an open spot in the outfield so they just might be serious about Cespedes. Things just became much more interesting, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 06:47 PM) There's no doubt in my mind if he takes something like 5/80, it tells me teams had red flags about how he'll perform going forward Agreed. Haven't there been questions about his projections for 2016 and potential for a regression? I forget which stats but a few people on here have questioned if Cespedes would be able to sustain those stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 02:00 AM) Agreed. Haven't there been questions about his projections for 2016 and potential for a regression? I forget which stats but a few people on here have questioned if Cespedes would be able to sustain those stats. His season last year was quite the outlier. I wonder about his focus if he has a long term contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 06:02 PM) He's been marketed as a corner OF, too. IMO, any team would be f***ing stupid to put him in the OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 06:27 PM) I will say this, if the Orioles land Cespedes for a contract in that range, then I'm going to f***ing enraged. I think a 5 year deal would be a mistake for a player that inconsistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 QUOTE (peavy44 @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 05:46 PM) Whats them other sites. Orioles: http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/for.../2-Orioles-Talk Mets: http://www.metsparadise.com/forum/4-new-york-mets-forum/ Tigers: http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/ Those are the main three I've been looking at the past few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 If you could sign Cespedes for four years and $80-90 million (and a player opt-out after Year 2 or Year 3), it would be be pretty crazy not to do so. Sure, he's not a 6 WAR player. But that amount of money, you're paying him like a 3-3.5 WAR guy, which is definitely the going rate on the FA market, if not an underpay based on the upside as well as marketing benefits from pairing him with Abreu. It makes the White Sox a much more interesting team to fans. Nobody's going to pay money to come out and watch Dexter Fowler, but they would to see a 500 foot homer or laser-like throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 07:04 PM) His season last year was quite the outlier. I wonder about his focus if he has a long term contract. I see what you mean, he definitely had a career year in '15. I'm not sure what to think of him at this point. Maybe there's a reason the Sox and possibly other teams have cooled off on him a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 I would be pretty surprised if he signed for less than $20 million AAV, but if no one else offers that 5th year perhaps 5/90 would look enticing enough for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 07:24 PM) I think a 5 year deal would be a mistake for a player that inconsistent. But with an AAV of $18M or less? We're talking about a guy with a 3 WAR floor if he's not forced to play CF. I get his 2015 was an outlier, but the hypothetical Baltimore deal isn't paying him to be a 6+ WAR player, it's paying him to be a 2 to 2.5 WAR player. Honestly, at that price who cares about a 5th year. Edited January 15, 2016 by Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 07:25 PM) Orioles: http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/for.../2-Orioles-Talk Mets: http://www.metsparadise.com/forum/4-new-york-mets-forum/ Tigers: http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/ Those are the main three I've been looking at the past few days. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 If the Sox couldn't match or beat an offer like that I would be pretty pissed off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 05:24 PM) I think a 5 year deal would be a mistake for a player that inconsistent. Don't quite get the inconsistent label being attached to Cespedes. 1st year did well . Pitchers probably didn't quite know how to go at him. 2nd Year sophomore slump. Easily his worst year but still had an OPS+ of 103 which only 2 Sox players had last year ( only looking at last years roster not Frazier or Lawrie) 3rd year. Improved from 2nd year. Got 100 RBI's. Re-adjusted to the pitchers adjustment to him . All offensive categories up except HR's 4th year. Very good with Tigers and even better with the Mets. Again improved from previous year in all offensive categories. Career: 122 OPS+ , .486 slugging. .805 OPS Sox could really use another RBI guy who knows the AL Central otherwise it's Abreu and hope Frazier hits AL pitching better than his last few counterparts to join the Sox from the NL did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 02:54 AM) If the Sox couldn't match or beat an offer like that I would be pretty pissed off. We also don't know if that's a front-loaded Balt offer with early opt-outs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Front loading even a contract like that would be something the Sox could do as well, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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