soxfan85 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 11:04 PM) And for me, the starting pitching depth is terrible outside Sale/Q/Rodon. I agree with you there as well. However, pretty much all the SP's are gone now as well. In that case, you better score some runs. And to quote somebody else on this board: "Give me Cespedes or give me death!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 11:00 PM) For me, Melky goes to DH and Hahn continues to work on an upgrade in RF. If he can't find that upgrade, then Melky can't do any worse defensively in RF than Avi, and meanwhile, we added last year's LF Gold Glove winner in left AND his bat in the heart of our order. Again, Cespedes is a NO-BRAINER. He makes sense on every level. Don't let that mislead you. His arm is great. His glove is average at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 12:03 AM) With what resources? They'd already be way over the budget for 2016 with nothing left in the farm outside the big 3. That upgrade wouldn't be of the magnitude of acquiring one of these two top tier talents. A defense oriented, left handed hitting OF is what we'd need to try and obtain. We have to improve our OF defense, which means we have to make the best efforts to get both Melky and Avi out of there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 11:03 PM) With what resources? They'd already be way over the budget for 2016 with nothing left in the farm outside the big 3. Why would they be way over? They are clearing $30 mil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan85 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 11:07 PM) Why would they be way over? They are clearing $30 mil Absolutely, that is why I can't for the life of me understand why they can't and wouldn't get this done. $30M off of the books next year with a weak Outfield class next year to boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 06:07 AM) Why would they be way over? They are clearing $30 mil Is this in comparison to the Forbes article? Thought someone said the MLB execs laugh those off. Not sure to be honest, I don't pay as much attention to that aspect of things as I probably should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 11:07 PM) Why would they be way over? They are clearing $30 mil The Sox are already at their '16 budget. Now add Cespedes 20M+ and that's pretty much way over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 11:04 PM) And for me, the starting pitching depth is terrible outside Sale/Q/Rodon. Well, that's 60% of our rotation... if we're in it at the deadline, I think we'll acquire a #4 SP anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 06:09 AM) The Sox are already at their '16 budget. Now add Cespedes 20M+ and that's pretty much way over. I think people forget it's 2016 now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan85 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 11:10 PM) I think people forget it's 2016 now They will recoup all of that with the 2016 World Series Championship memorabilia they sell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 11:10 PM) I think people forget it's 2016 now Yep. That 30M doesn't come off the books until after the '16 season is over which doesn't do much to help the Sox right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) Today at CSN-Chicago the afternoon SportsNet Central show they had a story on the latest regarding Cesdepes. Dan Hayes reported that he is now "probably out of the Sox price range." When asked if the Sox could bring anybody else in he said "not unless the price dropped significantly." He said the Sox could possibly bring in a left handed hitting outfielder who could help more defensively but that's as far as he'd go. He said the Sox would like to see "what Avasil Garcia could do." Take it for whatever that's worth but it doesn't look promising at this point. Mark Edited January 18, 2016 by Lip Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 05:13 AM) Today at CSN-Chicago the afternoon SportsNet Central show they had a story on the latest regarding Cesdepes. Dan Hayes reported that he is now "probably out of the Sox price range." When asked if the Sox could bring anybody else in he said "not unless the price dropped significantly." He said the Sox could possibly bring in a left handed hitting outfielder who could help more defensively but that's as far as he'd go. He said the Sox would like to see "what Avasil Garcia could do." Take it for whatever that's worth but it doesn't look promising at this point. Mark Yuck. I said this the other day, but if Hahn goes into this season with Avi in RF and the team struggles, he better be fired after this season along with Ventura. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 11:13 PM) He said the Sox could possibly bring in a left handed hitting outfielder who could help more defensively but that's as far as he'd go. He said the Sox would like to see "what Avisail Garcia could do." :huh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 05:15 AM) :huh So Merkin and Hayes are on the same page...maybe the Sox should have seen what Davidson could do as well Edited January 18, 2016 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 05:13 AM) He said the Sox could possibly bring in a left handed hitting outfielder who could help more defensively but that's as far as he'd go. He said the Sox would like to see "what Avasil Garcia could do." Sounds like a job for Will Venable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 11:13 PM) Today at CSN-Chicago the afternoon SportsNet Central show they had a story on the latest regarding Cesdepes. Dan Hayes reported that he is now "probably out of the Sox price range." When asked if the Sox could bring anybody else in he said "not unless the price dropped significantly." He said the Sox could possibly bring in a left handed hitting outfielder who could help more defensively but that's as far as he'd go. He said the Sox would like to see "what Avasil Garcia could do." Take it for whatever that's worth but it doesn't look promising at this point. Mark Not that I take Hayes word for everything he says but it does fall in line with what others have been saying about the Sox backing off and looking into other possibilities. Odd that the Sox are looking into a LH outfielder to help out defensively when they have Shuck who plays a good RF and the soon to be new sensation in Fields (). Also odd that if they want to see what Avi can do then why the outfielder search? That doesn't make much sense unless they are looking to move LaRoche to the bench, Melky to DH and insert the LH OF into LF? Move Avi to LF and put the LH OF in RF? Sorry, I'm really just asking these questions out loud. I do appreciate you passing along what Hayes said but his comments raise more questions than they answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 11:16 PM) So Merkin and Hayes are on the same page...maybe the Sox should have seen what Davidson could do as well Shouldnt have traded Josh Phegley either. Let him start at catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan85 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 11:13 PM) Today at CSN-Chicago the afternoon SportsNet Central show they had a story on the latest regarding Cesdepes. Dan Hayes reported that he is now "probably out of the Sox price range." When asked if the Sox could bring anybody else in he said "not unless the price dropped significantly." He said the Sox could possibly bring in a left handed hitting outfielder who could help more defensively but that's as far as he'd go. He said the Sox would like to see "what Avasil Garcia could do." Take it for whatever that's worth but it doesn't look promising at this point. Mark "See what Avasil Garcia can do?" But...But...I thought we were looking to compete and put ourselves in the best position possible to compete for a Championship? In all honesty...if they don't and couldn't add that final piece this year, it is and was time to just tear it down. The White Sox give me blue balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 12:13 AM) Today at CSN-Chicago the afternoon SportsNet Central show they had a story on the latest regarding Cesdepes. Dan Hayes reported that he is now "probably out of the Sox price range." When asked if the Sox could bring anybody else in he said "not unless the price dropped significantly." He said the Sox could possibly bring in a left handed hitting outfielder who could help more defensively but that's as far as he'd go. He said the Sox would like to see "what Avasil Garcia could do." Take it for whatever that's worth but it doesn't look promising at this point. Mark So for our fan base to ever hope to acquire top tier talent via free agent, we have to hope the price of said talent has to fall below market value so as to "fall" to a price that the current ownership is willing to pay? The same ownership who has never given a contract for a higher value than the small market Royals have done not once but twice this winter? I mean, wow. What is going on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Keep in mind that Dan Hayes said that Brett Lawrie might be our only acquisition. Plus he was iffy on those reports too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan85 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 11:23 PM) So for our fan base to ever hope to acquire top tier talent via free agent, we have to hope the price of said talent has to fall below market value so as to "fall" to a price that the current ownership is willing to pay? The same ownership who has never given a contract for a higher value than the small market Royals have done not once but twice this winter? I mean, wow. What is going on here. Yep. Completely ridiculous and disheartening. This sums it up PERFECTLY. And I mean P-E-R-F-E-C-T-L-Y Edited January 18, 2016 by soxfan85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 11:22 PM) Sounds like a job for Will Venable Well he would certainly fit the "Our OF really sucks" competition that we're trying to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 11:15 PM) Yuck. I said this the other day, but if Hahn goes into this season with Avi in RF and the team struggles, he better be fired after this season along with Ventura. Agree 100%. Going into the 2016 season with Avi as your starting RF, after passing on potential hauls for your SPs and then trading three pretty good prospects for a 2 year rental, would prove KW & Hahn went for the Hail Mary instead of having a sound offseason plan. I still can't believe they could be that stupid, so I will retain my optimism until proven otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 11:22 PM) Sounds like a job for Will Venable Ah, the Venerable Will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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