ptatc Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 01:11 AM) Rationalize all you want. The sox accelerated their rebuild, traded away 5 minor leaguers, and still *maybe* will be .500. They had two ways to go this offseason, they chose neither. The lack of strategy in this front office is depressingly average. It's a terrible offseason when only improve 3 positions while trading away none of the teams top prospects. I knew this would be entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 12:57 AM) KW can never lose face. He believes Avi is going to be a 300/30/100 and 30sb kind of player. KW is the problem if it's not going the way you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 01:02 AM) Cespedes before this year: Never hit 30 HR Was an overall negative defensive WAR player Was coming off seasons w/ OPS of 736 & 751 Had staggering OBP's of .294 & .301 (people say Frazier's OBP sucks??) And now people are freaking out that some other team is going to pay him 100+ million dollars to age and decline. If we are gonna get an outfielder, go for broke at Upton, or sign Jackson for defense in RF and sign Desmond on a 1-2yr deal to upgrade the offense at SS. This has been my point for the last 10000 pages. Do they really want to sink a huge contract into him? He might be the best out there but that doesn't he's worth the contract. Just like the Sox traded some of their top 10 prospects doesn't mean they were good prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 01:43 AM) Ifit was so important to win now with this core you finish the the win now. I don't recall anyone from the sox organization saying they have to win now. Ive heard RH say they've improve the team from last year. I would agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 02:49 AM) KW is the problem if it's not going the way you want. This is a quote of his according to a broadcast back during the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 02:02 AM) This is a quote of his according to a broadcast back during the summer. Do you expect him to s*** talk his own player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 02:02 AM) Cespedes before this year: Never hit 30 HR Was an overall negative defensive WAR player Was coming off seasons w/ OPS of 736 & 751 Had staggering OBP's of .294 & .301 (people say Frazier's OBP sucks??) And now people are freaking out that some other team is going to pay him 100+ million dollars to age and decline. If we are gonna get an outfielder, go for broke at Upton, or sign Jackson for defense in RF and sign Desmond on a 1-2yr deal to upgrade the offense at SS. While I still much prefer Cespedes or Upton, I didn't realize how useful Austin Jackson still is. For some reason I was thinking he was replacement level fodder and had no idea he ever had a 5 WAR season. Even if he settle on him for RF, that could still be a 3-4 WAR upgrade or Avi's 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 05:15 AM) Yuck. I said this the other day, but if Hahn goes into this season with Avi in RF and the team struggles, he better be fired after this season along with Ventura. you may be right there, but i would question on who, if anyone, stop him from possible going with longer yrs or more salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 07:56 AM) I don't recall anyone from the sox organization saying they have to win now. Ive heard RH say they've improve the team from last year. I would agree. you are right, but wouldn't it be implied if the owners said, they want to experience another WS and maybe rather soon??? Edited January 18, 2016 by LDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Do any of you know why Austin Jackson's career has taken such a dramatic turn for the worse? He had considerable success, at a pretty young age, but the last two years have been bad, by comparison. That is unusual, since he was just entering his "prime". I don't see that he was injured. So, what happened to him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 06:46 AM) Do any of you know why Austin Jackson's career has taken such a dramatic turn for the worse? He had considerable success, at a pretty young age, but the last two years have been bad, by comparison. That is unusual, since he was just entering his "prime". I don't see that he was injured. So, what happened to him? Seattle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) A lot of people thought Granderson was done...look at getting away from Comerica has done for his career. Here's a stat that makes no sense...Jackson hit almost 200 ops points better at home than on the road in 2014. 566 vs. 750. http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/splits/_/id/.../austin-jackson Yet his two home parks were Comerica and Safeco. 729 ops vs. lhp and 688 ops vs. rhp over the last three years. Still, if you stick Jackson in CF, Eaton in LF and Cabrera in RF, the defense would have to be much improved. With our four lefties, quite a few more balls are pulled into LF, as well. Pehaps Eaton would be more confident in that position and not try to do too much? Edited January 18, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 06:51 AM) A lot of people thought Granderson was done...look at getting away from Comerica has done for his career. except Jacksons last good year was in Comerica, and his last two dismal years were out of Comerica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Jackson is young enough to turn it around, and have several productive years. Do you think that playing in the Cell would help fix whatever it is that has gone wrong with his hitting? He is certainly a "buy low" candidate. I can't imagine that he would be very expensive, given his poor numbers, over the last two seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 01:57 PM) Jackson is young enough to turn it around, and have several productive years. Do you think that playing in the Cell would help fix whatever it is that has gone wrong with his hitting? He is certainly a "buy low" candidate. I can't imagine that he would be very expensive, given his poor numbers, over the last two seasons. i agree and esp if the sox were out of the running of any elite of'ers, btw, according to the advance stats, how is his defense in cf??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 06:53 AM) except Jacksons last good year was in Comerica, and his last two dismal years were out of Comerica To be fair, he moved to Safeco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 My order of preference: Cespedes Upton Jackson Fowler But I wouldn't be mad with any of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) Can someone find a specific breakdown of his numbers in Safeco vs. Comerica in 2014...? He was absolutely atrocious on the road that year. Maybe the trade shook him up and he has a hard time adjusting to a new team? http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2014/10/13/6...-austin-jackson Possible explanations for what happened...long but interesting article. "In July, Jackson hit .349/.390/.505 with the Tigers. Then, upon joining Seattle, he promptly went into a massive offensive slump that lasted the remainder of the season. Look at his ISO with the M's. Look at it! Maybe you can't see it because you don't have a magnifying glass handy, but let me assure you that it's miserable. In 236 PA with the Mariners, Jackson racked up SIX extra base hits. This was a man who'd averaged an XBH every 12 PA over the past two and a half seasons and then all of a sudden he couldn't hit the ball out of the infield. He also started striking out a lot more and walking a lot less. This was a shocking, disappointing, frustrating turn of events. But what happened? ... The thing about these numbers that I find to be the most striking is Jackson's GB/FB ratio after leaving the Tigers. Jackson went from a GB/FB ratio of 0.98 with the Tigers (23rd percentile for GB rate in 2014) to a ratio of 2.16 with the Mariners (90th percentile for GB rate). I should point out that Jackson's career GB:FB (GB:FB of 1.33) isn't quite as flyball-heavy as it was at the beginning of this year, but the dramatic change in his numbers after joining the M's is more or less unfathomable to me. Park effects can certainly impact a player's performance, but that is just absurd. (Also, according to Fangraphs, the difference between the park effects for groundballs at Safeco and Comerica is negligible.)" He basically turned into Alexei Ramirez with even more grounders to the left side... Edited January 18, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 The worst part of that entire scenario with Jackson is that the Sox are just about the least likely organization to fix a hitter's problems. They may play in a homer friendly park, but when is the last time a guy suddenly figured it out, at the plate, in a Sox uniform? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 08:01 AM) The worst part of that entire scenario with Jackson is that the Sox are just about the least likely organization to fix a hitter's problems. They may play in a homer friendly park, but when is the last time a guy suddenly figured it out, at the plate, in a Sox uniform? Quentin, but already a very accomplished minor league hitter. Juan Uribe bounced back with the Sox. Figured it out, though, is pushing it. Rowand, but he and Crede took 2-3 years to break in as full-time players. It happened more with castoff outfielders in the 80s and 90s. Abreu and Ramirez are tough to credit the White Sox coaching staff more than scouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 The Score has been reporting that Cespedes is going to make a decision very soon on where he is going to sign. Where are they getting that from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 05:06 AM) Can someone find a specific breakdown of his numbers in Safeco vs. Comerica in 2014...? He was absolutely atrocious on the road that year. Maybe the trade shook him up and he has a hard time adjusting to a new team? http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2014/10/13/6...-austin-jackson Possible explanations for what happened...long but interesting article. "In July, Jackson hit .349/.390/.505 with the Tigers. Then, upon joining Seattle, he promptly went into a massive offensive slump that lasted the remainder of the season. Look at his ISO with the M's. Look at it! Maybe you can't see it because you don't have a magnifying glass handy, but let me assure you that it's miserable. In 236 PA with the Mariners, Jackson racked up SIX extra base hits. This was a man who'd averaged an XBH every 12 PA over the past two and a half seasons and then all of a sudden he couldn't hit the ball out of the infield. He also started striking out a lot more and walking a lot less. This was a shocking, disappointing, frustrating turn of events. But what happened? ... The thing about these numbers that I find to be the most striking is Jackson's GB/FB ratio after leaving the Tigers. Jackson went from a GB/FB ratio of 0.98 with the Tigers (23rd percentile for GB rate in 2014) to a ratio of 2.16 with the Mariners (90th percentile for GB rate). I should point out that Jackson's career GB:FB (GB:FB of 1.33) isn't quite as flyball-heavy as it was at the beginning of this year, but the dramatic change in his numbers after joining the M's is more or less unfathomable to me. Park effects can certainly impact a player's performance, but that is just absurd. (Also, according to Fangraphs, the difference between the park effects for groundballs at Safeco and Comerica is negligible.)" He basically turned into Alexei Ramirez with even more grounders to the left side... 2014 at Comerica : 202 AB ,63 hits, 11 doubles, 5 triples 2 HR , 41 K , .312 BA, .361 OBP , .446 SLG. , .817 OPS 2014 at Safeco : 111 AB, 27 hits, 2 double, 1 triple, 0 HR , 36 K . .243 BA , .270 OBP, .279 SLG. , .549 OPS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 03:39 PM) The Score has been reporting that Cespedes is going to make a decision very soon on where he is going to sign. Where are they getting that from? Probably the Cubs Convention. Did you know the Score is the radio home for the Cubs in 2016? Sarcasm as they literally say it no less than three times an hour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 He just completely fell apart his last month with Detroit and subsequent two months plus with the M's. If only we had a Don Cooper for hitters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 11:02 PM) Cespedes before this year: Never hit 30 HR Was an overall negative defensive WAR player Was coming off seasons w/ OPS of 736 & 751 Had staggering OBP's of .294 & .301 (people say Frazier's OBP sucks??) And now people are freaking out that some other team is going to pay him 100+ million dollars to age and decline. If we are gonna get an outfielder, go for broke at Upton, or sign Jackson for defense in RF and sign Desmond on a 1-2yr deal to upgrade the offense at SS. We can twist the numbers any way we want to. Since you're talking about 2013 and 2014 . I'd say 2013 is the sophomore slump since it was since 2nd year in the league. However with runners in scoring position (RISP) he hit .312 , .352 OBP , .558 SLG, and .921 OPS 2014 he had 100 RBI so despite what you say about his overall numbers the guy hit .309, .356 OBP , .522 SLG , and .879 OPS all with RISP. For his career even though you think 2 of his years of his 4 in the league were bad his career numbers with RISP are .305 BA ,.365 OBP, .517 SLG , and .881 OPS. Isn't that exactly what you would want in a cleanup hitter ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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