southsider2k5 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 09:40 PM) We know winning means little to you, so no reason to weigh in. You hold on to the past like an ex-wife. This is right up your alley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 09:39 PM) Last time he said that, the Sox did win the division. No s***? I couldn't remember what the year was when he said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 02:55 PM) OK, let's look at it this way: A. Jackson 5 years with Detroit: .277 .342 .413 .755 Cespedes 3 years with Oakland: .262 .318 .470 .788 Cespedes 1 year with D. Tigers: .293 .323 .506 .829 Cespedes 1 year with Red Sox: .269 .296 .423 .719 I'm simply wondering if their respective performances, last season, might have been outliers. Of course, Cespedes has more raw power, but you have to wonder if he is really as good as those numbers with the Mets suggests. Cespedes has played 4 full seasons . To be more correct 2.5 with Oakland, .5 year with the Tigers, .5 with Boston, .5 with the Mets. Cespedes may not be a great hitter if you look at his overall numbers and I can also agree his time with the Mets could be called an outlier. However what cannot be called an outlier is through all 4 years the way he hits with RISP . Those numbers are great. The stats with RISP with the Mets was not an outlier because he has done it every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 10:43 PM) You hold on to the past like an ex-wife. This is right up your alley. Nothing of quality to offer up, just the usual weak attempt to deflect any criticism of the crack management team of the Sox? Well color me SHOCKED! So unlike you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) The most frustrating thing about the three year talk is their refusal to adapt to the modern market. It just seems smug to me at times. Granted I would rather not tie a ton of money into one player but when you constantly say you're going to go for it, then go half way and say "hey we tried." It's a little insulting to the fan base. Especially when they way they've been operating hasn't brought any excitement in quite a while. Edited January 19, 2016 by Sockin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Still would love to know what caused Tigers to go after Upton instead of Cespedes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 09:46 PM) Nothing of quality to offer up, just the usual weak attempt to deflect any criticism of the crack management team of the Sox? Well color me SHOCKED! So unlike you. Detroit has a $200 million oayroll. Jerry Reinsdorf is the worst, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan85 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Bruce Levine reporting the White Sox have offered Cespedes a 3-year $27M contract. Probably won't get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 At the deadline, we were 2 games below .500 and very much in the wild card race. Did we buy? No. Did we sell? No. We did absolutely nothing, which was the worst thing we could have done, as we finished out of the playoffs and did not gain any players via trade. Now, we have this awkwardly-comprised roster of some very good players and some very subpar players. We are a big move away from being actual contenders. We are a few blockbuster trades away from being stocked with prospects. What will we do? Well, we've already started buying (Frazier, Lawrie), so the logical decision is to continue to do so. But. what will we actually do? Well... probably nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan85 @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 09:47 PM) Bruce Levine reporting the White Sox have offered Cespedes a 3-year $27M contract. Probably won't get it done. I sincerely hope that you're being sarcastic. 3/27 is horrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (Sockin @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 04:46 AM) The most frustrating thing about the three year talk is their refusal to adapt to the modern market. It just seems smug to me at times. Just tells me they didn't really want any of these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 09:47 PM) Still would love to know what caused Tigers to go after Upton instead of Cespedes. He is younger and outside of last season, better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan85 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 09:48 PM) I sincerely hope that you're being sarcastic. 3/27 is horrid. I am, but it seems right up their alley. These big FA's should WANT to come play for US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan85 @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 10:47 PM) Bruce Levine reporting the White Sox have offered Cespedes a 3-year $27M contract. Probably won't get it done. Maybe 27 mil per year.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan85 @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 09:47 PM) Bruce Levine reporting the White Sox have offered Cespedes a 3-year $27M contract. Probably won't get it done. Ok that sounds like bull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/25454143 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 09:38 PM) I've seen less drama on Jerry Springer. Get a clue dude. Thad Bosley's post is an incredibly rational post, and it makes a ton of sense. Chiding him for a well thought out post like that is classless, especially from someone like yourself, a board administrator who should be an example-setter. The writing is on the wall if the Sox refuse to pony up for Cespedes' demands. In this market, whether there are bidders or not, he deserves a contract in the Gordon-Upton range. If the Sox don't pay the price and sign Cespedes, you will see a lot of already complacent Sox fans questioning ownership's commitment to winning even further. No Sox fan should be happy trotting out Garcia, Fowler or Jackson after what our main divisional rivals have done to improve! The Tigers already had a good offense, and they signed Upton. The Royals won the World Series. We have a crappy offense with some promising additions, but there is still no guarantee that this offense won't have huge issues with run production. I understand signing Cespedes does not guarantee a division title or wild card, but mark my words, if the Sox don't sign Cespedes, they will not win either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 @jonheyman angels absolutely must sign cespedes. they have mishmash in LF, lack offense at 4 positions. YC had .909 ops vs rhp in '15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan85 @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 09:47 PM) Bruce Levine reporting the White Sox have offered Cespedes a 3-year $27M contract. Probably won't get it done. He HAS to mean 27 million per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 10:48 PM) Just tells me they didn't really want any of these guys. I would be fine with passing on all 3 of them, but don't go out there and give up a pick to sign a guy like fowler....have a bad feeling something like that will be coming down the road here shortly though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 10:47 PM) Detroit has a $200 million oayroll. Jerry Reinsdorf is the worst, On the latter, I'm with you. 100%. No argument there, and I'm glad you finally looked at the overwhelming evidence that got you to that undeniable conclusion. On the former, you gotta admire a team and an owner who not only claim they want to win a championship, but back it up in actions. They certainly aren't trying to do so by entering free agency and trying to sign top tier talent to below market contracts. Edited January 19, 2016 by Thad Bosley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (TheCut87 @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 09:49 PM) Maybe 27 mil per year.... There is no way that the White Sox are offering Cespedes $27M per season, even on a shorter term deal. No way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I want Cespedes, but not if he's going to require somewhere in the range of 6/150. That would be horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 With everything that's been said. It does seem that the pressure is mounting for the White Sox to do something. Especially now that Upton signed with Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (TheCut87 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 03:52 AM) I would be fine with passing on all 3 of them, but don't go out there and give up a pick to sign a guy like fowler....have a bad feeling something like that will be coming down the road here shortly though. Still would rather have Desmond and Jackson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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