he gone. Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Finnnneeeeee... For one of the first times ever I'm going to put faith into Mibelt Rodriguez .... only cause I like to dream. I've said since Christmas I'd go higher AAV for shorter contract. At that point I said Gordon 4/90 and Cespedes for 5/110. I'd still be okay with this. Things have changed, but still don't see YO settling for under 5 years. If I had to guess percentage wise? Angels 50% CWS 15% STL 10% Other 25% Obviously all guesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 09:38 AM) Hypothetically, if Cespedes' camp told the White Sox FO that they would accept a deal exactly like Upton's, would the Sox do it? Would you guys as fans be ok with it if they did? No chance they will go to 6 years on Cespedes and they shouldn't. That's too long of a commitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 10:05 AM) I'm in the minority, but I don't want Cespedes because he's not going to matter anyway. Without him, I think we finish between 3rd-5th in the division. With him, I think we can win the division. He's a 4-6 win player that brings presence to this lineup that strikes fear into pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 08:30 AM) I may be the only one who asked so far...but who the f*** is Mibelt Rodriguez? A guy who consistently makes up stuff & is never right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 10:32 AM) Without him, I think we finish between 3rd-5th in the division. With him, I think we can win the division. He's a 4-6 win player that brings presence to this lineup that strikes fear into pitchers. This is a good way to look at it: Your 3-4-5 hitters could be Abreu, Frazier, LaRoche or Abreu, Frazier, Cespedes. He would make the middle of the lineup so much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 04:38 PM) Hypothetically, if Cespedes' camp told the White Sox FO that they would accept a deal exactly like Upton's, would the Sox do it? Would you guys as fans be ok with it if they did? a great question, in ref to yrs, no way, but lets say 4 yrs and the same salary..... i just don't know. again i am at a impasse on this, i have stated that before.............. i will have to give way to the sox FO..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 10:32 AM) No chance they will go to 6 years on Cespedes and they shouldn't. That's too long of a commitment. Agreed, unless there is some bizarro contract structure that protects both sides somehow. The Sox have been known to be creative. I just hope he signs somewhere very soon...like today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 05:35 PM) This is a good way to look at it: Your 3-4-5 hitters could be Abreu, Frazier, LaRoche or Abreu, Frazier, Cespedes. He would make the middle of the lineup so much better. great post. however lets look at this little correction. ref the bold, this is a big assumption for him to come back to a player he once was. the second one is with ceps is something to be in awe of, if all things goes right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 10:00 AM) Does 4/90 get it done? I would think so, but that all depends on what other teams may offer. There are fewer teams now, and I think it could be down to the Mets and Sox. However, who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 05:36 PM) Agreed, unless there is some bizarro contract structure that protects both sides somehow. The Sox have been known to be creative. I just hope he signs somewhere very soon...like today. i wish i remembered..... but someone posted the idea of a 2 yrs guarantee with 2 yrs mutual option. with a buyout of some kind. this would be ideal ..... for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 10:34 AM) A guy who consistently makes up stuff & is never right. He's copying that Mets blog clearly. Are we going to start posting incarceratedbobs reports on here too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Make no mistake, Cespedes makes this team better by a good amount. I would say this is as close to a "must sign" as possible. So what if they overpay for him a bit? They have cost controlled pitched & have great deals on Eaton & Abreu as well. Just make it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 10:39 AM) I would think so, but that all depends on what other teams may offer. There are fewer teams now, and I think it could be down to the Mets and Sox. However, who knows. Angels have to be in on it too, their LF platoon is awful right now, and though Moreno fears the luxury tax they do have a ton of money coming off the books after 2016, so they would just have to take the tax hit for one year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 08:40 AM) He's copying that Mets blog clearly. Are we going to start posting incarceratedbobs reports on here too? It's been done a few times, actually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 10:38 AM) great post. however lets look at this little correction. ref the bold, this is a big assumption for him to come back to a player he once was. the second one is with ceps is something to be in awe of, if all things goes right. I would think that it would be either LaRoche or Melky in the mix of 3-4-5. I threw LaRoche in there assuming that he'll rebound somewhat. Hell, if LaRoche hits like he used to AND the Sox sign Cespedes, the offense would be very potent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 10:41 AM) It's been done a few times, actually Great. I'll start linking my account on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 08:39 AM) I would think so, but that all depends on what other teams may offer. There are fewer teams now, and I think it could be down to the Mets and Sox. However, who knows. How do we know there are fewer teams? Every time we think this, more teams show up. KC was done with Gordon, Det was too broke to get Cespedes, Miami wasn't supposed to get Chen, Col already had 3 OF'ers & still signed Parra. At this point, narrowing it down to a few teams has proved to be pretty off. Right now, we need to assume the Sox are one of 5-10 teams on him, whether it's logical or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 05:40 PM) Make no mistake, Cespedes makes this team better by a good amount. I would say this is as close to a "must sign" as possible. So what if they overpay for him a bit? They have cost controlled pitched & have great deals on Eaton & Abreu as well. Just make it happen. now watch out, you are now sounding a lot like me, esp in some of my last yrs post. i will admit this. i am indifferent b/c i am not sold on him. i do not know why, that is why will defer to the sox FO. i am guilty of my opinion on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 08:43 AM) now watch out, you are now sounding a lot like me, esp in some of my last yrs post. i will admit this. i am indifferent b/c i am not sold on him. i do not know why, that is why will defer to the sox FO. i am guilty of my opinion on this one. If this were a different situation I would be more patient but they've botched a rebuild, traded 3 top 10 prospects for 2 players with 2 years of control & now are watching teams in their own division get better. They've made the commitment to go "all in", so they need to carry it out. That's my mindset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 05:41 PM) I would think that it would be either LaRoche or Melky in the mix of 3-4-5. I threw LaRoche in there assuming that he'll rebound somewhat. Hell, if LaRoche hits like he used to AND the Sox sign Cespedes, the offense would be very potent. right.... but i really like melky at #5..... but this is me, JA, #3, TF #4 and melky #5. and i do hope laroche does rebound. but who will be #2???? Edited January 19, 2016 by LDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 10:43 AM) How do we know there are fewer teams? Every time we think this, more teams show up. KC was done with Gordon, Det was too broke to get Cespedes, Miami wasn't supposed to get Chen, Col already had 3 OF'ers & still signed Parra. At this point, narrowing it down to a few teams has proved to be pretty off. Right now, we need to assume the Sox are one of 5-10 teams on him, whether it's logical or not. I suppose we don't know how many teams are in the hunt. My point was that Baltimore and Detroit were two teams that we all were worried about, and they have since signed others. Plus, with the Davis and Upton contracts being long-term, I believe Cespedes is still wanting a longer term deal. If the Mets will truly not go past 3 years, they may be out. If the Sox will go to 4 years AND pay the higher AAV, maybe they are in good shape. Unless Cespedes decides to take a short deal (1 or 2 years), I would think the Sox and Angels may be the true front runners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 10:43 AM) How do we know there are fewer teams? Every time we think this, more teams show up. KC was done with Gordon, Det was too broke to get Cespedes, Miami wasn't supposed to get Chen, Col already had 3 OF'ers & still signed Parra. At this point, narrowing it down to a few teams has proved to be pretty off. Right now, we need to assume the Sox are one of 5-10 teams on him, whether it's logical or not. Most people thought KC was going to sign Gordon, everyone knew the Tigers were in on the Big 3 the entire offseason, Rosenthal tweeted about Miami's interest in Chen on December 1st. There were no surprises there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Alright, goodnight: Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 2m2 minutes ago The Washington #Nats and Houston #Astros, each who had expressed interest in Justin Upton, may now turn their attention to Yoenis Cespedes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 10:44 AM) If this were a different situation I would be more patient but they've botched a rebuild, traded 3 top 10 prospects for 2 players with 2 years of control & now are watching teams in their own division get better. They've made the commitment to go "all in", so they need to carry it out. That's my mindset. Did they ever say anything about going "all in" though? Hahn mentioned that it's likely that they'd be adding an OF and that they weren't satisfied with the offense yet. It was also reported that the White Sox would be interested in the OF's on their terms. Then all of a sudden, fans started assuming that they'd be handing out 5-6 contracts which is just not happening. If Cespedes takes a 4 year deal, I think the White Sox are in this. If het gets 5-6, they won't be and they will move on to other options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) Bob Nightengale The Washington #Nats and Houston #Astros, each who had expressed interest in Justin Upton, may now turn their attention to Yoenis Cespedes. Edited January 19, 2016 by Sockin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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