LDF Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:33 PM) If they based all of their decisions on what was going on in the minors and also did not want to have a high payroll, we would be looking at an organization that valued acquiring top-level prospects and cost-controlled players. That is not how the white sox front office is operating. Case in point, those making the argument that Fowler is attractive to management because we would not have to pay another 1st round comp. i understand your point and if i can add something.... for discussion sake. the team is in a bad way, the sox need to fix that hole with FA's but when 2 players of similar skils, imo, are avail, one is draft pick protected and the other isn't ..... i would pick the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 01:33 PM) If they based all of their decisions on what was going on in the minors and also did not want to have a high payroll, we would be looking at an organization that valued acquiring top-level prospects and cost-controlled players. That is not how the white sox front office is operating. Case in point, those making the argument that Fowler is attractive to management because we would not have to pay another 1st round comp. I agree. However, it is posters asking to acquire Fowler, not the Sox FO. All of this is risk management. If the FO feels the chances of making the playoffs with Fowler out-weigh the chances of the comp pick being an impact player, they may make the deal. My whole point of this is protecting the future while trying to improve the team. So far I think they have done a good job. A deal for Cespedes that doesn't restrict the team in the future would be good as well. I'm just not convinced that he is the player to whom you give the long term contract. I don't trust his consistency. They will need to take that risk at some point, I just think he is the right player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:36 PM) Yes, he's nothing. He's not a good player at all. Low average. Low on base. High strike out. Terrible defensively. He's not a good baseball player. hitting............... i give up on you. typical i should have learned by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:35 PM) What's funny to me is that some are so focused on the gloom and doom of possibly not signing Cespedes that they forget the Sox got a huge upgrade at 3B and big upgrades at 2B/C. Plus they are still actively searching for an upgrade in the outfield so hope is not lost yet. nice. as the military always says...... adapt and overcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 01:38 PM) hitting............... i give up on you. typical i should have learned by now. Dude, he's not a good hitter. Low average and low on base. Where would you play him? He's not an OFer. Only thing he does is hit home runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Alvarez is a good hitter. He'd be an upgrade at DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 01:39 PM) Dude, he's not a good hitter. Low average and low on base. Where would you play him? He's not an OFer. Only thing he does is hit home runs. I'm with you. Good hitter or not, where does he play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 01:40 PM) Alvarez is a good hitter. He'd be an upgrade at DH. While probably true, LaRoche isn't going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:38 PM) I agree. However, it is posters asking to acquire Fowler, not the Sox FO. All of this is risk management. If the FO feels the chances of making the playoffs with Fowler out-weigh the chances of the comp pick being an impact player, they may make the deal. My whole point of this is protecting the future while trying to improve the team. So far I think they have done a good job. A deal for Cespedes that doesn't restrict the team in the future would be good as well. I'm just not convinced that he is the player to whom you give the long term contract. I don't trust his consistency. They will need to take that risk at some point, I just think he is the right player. i think many esp I really think they did a great job, however the sox FO will do what they want to do. we really have no control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:41 PM) While probably true, LaRoche isn't going anywhere. but my statement was not meant for the sox, it was, and if you go back, meant for any other team who looses out on upton and cespy..... other options..... and yes... at DH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 01:38 PM) hitting............... i give up on you. typical i should have learned by now. His offense does not provide enough to make up for his lack of defense, and yes he is going to have to play defense. So, where does he play? He hasn't played an inning in the OF in the bigs, so you're saying 1b/3b/DH, which we have already. If we truly just needed a DH then maybe, but I would still hope for someone better. But we don't and so this argument makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I think the only reason why some Sox fans (myself included) have started to panic is because Upton just went to a division rival. If he would've went to an NL team or a team outside the division, I don't think the demand for Cespedes would be as high as it is right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 01:43 PM) but my statement was not meant for the sox, it was, and if you go back, meant for any other team who looses out on upton and cespy..... other options..... and yes... at DH Makes sense for a team that misses out on them AND has an opening at DH. Alvarez does not play outfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:45 PM) Makes sense for a team that misses out on them AND has an opening at DH. Alvarez does not play outfield. and you are correct, he does not play any position. except dh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I wonder where Alvarez is going to end up actually. Don't see any teams needing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 If this team can't even afford to dump Laroche, they should have traded everybody away instead of "going for it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:45 PM) I think the only reason why some Sox fans (myself included) have started to panic is because Upton just went to a division rival. If he would've went to an NL team or a team outside the division, I don't think the demand for Cespedes would be as high as it is right now. really panic..... i never got the feel of panicking .... i thought it was a great debate. this is what being a baseball fan is all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:47 PM) I wonder where Alvarez is going to end up actually. Don't see any teams needing him. great question. i was wondering if Hou with evan gattis... misspell being moved. i have been thinking of this since sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 01:38 PM) I agree. However, it is posters asking to acquire Fowler, not the Sox FO. All of this is risk management. If the FO feels the chances of making the playoffs with Fowler out-weigh the chances of the comp pick being an impact player, they may make the deal. My whole point of this is protecting the future while trying to improve the team. So far I think they have done a good job. A deal for Cespedes that doesn't restrict the team in the future would be good as well. I'm just not convinced that he is the player to whom you give the long term contract. I don't trust his consistency. They will need to take that risk at some point, I just think he is the right player. Well, I disagree that they have done a good job. They have won 63, 72 and 75 games in 3 years. With big upgrades at 3b and possibly at 2b, and possible downgrade at rotation, we are looking at 78-79 wins. In 2 years, when all of these contracts expire, we have to hope that all: Tim Anderson Trey M Are in the big leagues and high level producers immediately while we win a lottery ticket with : Jacob May Adam Engel Courtney Hawkins Maybe Adolfo will be a beast and be close to majors in 2 years. Otherwise you are looking at another round of gauge and plug with FA/trades on the minor league front. In four years, the core of Sale/Q/Abreu/Eaton basically falls apart. In two years you are expecting all of our minor league work to pan out. That is doubtful. The best contribution we may see is if Sale/Q/Rodon find themselves supplemented by budding superstars Adams/Fullmer/Danish for one last run. This isn't a "well what's the point of even playing the games!" point. Its just if you really valued having a winner with your current core, and you do not want to give up future competitiveness, then paying the large sum for a player like cespedes is necessary. Otherwise, you will hit a ceiling from the teams that kill us in player development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 01:49 PM) great question. i was wondering if Hou with evan gattis... misspell being moved. i have been thinking of this since sunday. If the Orioles maybe move Trumbo to the outfield, then possibly them. Don't see any other fits however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:47 PM) If this team can't even afford to dump Laroche, they should have traded everybody away instead of "going for it." well i will disagree and only for this reason. my never ending enthusiasm for sox baseball, i was hoping if laroche does not produce in spring training, then, if some fa is out there who can help, can be brought in. thus making the sox eat laroche contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 02:24 PM) geeze.... how bout a full statement. so how is not a good hitter, what is your opinion..... stat wise of a good hitter??? Stats don't lie. That's why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:51 PM) If the Orioles maybe move Trumbo to the outfield, then possibly them. Don't see any other fits however. excatly...... a very good job on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:53 PM) Stats don't lie. That's why. and what will be your stats of a good hitter???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Mike Puma @NYPost_Mets 11m11 minutes ago Cespedes has made it clear he loves NY - and that might give Mets tiebreaker against similar offers. But he won't leave huge $$$ on table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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