BlackSox13 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 07:58 PM) That would be me s***. Didn't you call that on here last night? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 The guy's a broken record at this point. I still don't buy it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 07:56 PM) What's with being so dramatic on Twitter? You're on Twitter? Never knew. I don't know. I'm just an emotional fan. I love the White Sox more than just about anything and it sucks to see them be cellar dwellers every season. I want change and that starts with Cespedes IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 02:06 AM) You're on Twitter? Never knew. I don't know. I'm just an emotional fan. I love the White Sox more than just about anything and it sucks to see them be cellar dwellers every season. I want change and that starts with Cespedes IMO. Not on Twitter but looked at the comments of Nightengale's tweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 10:46 AM) I wish all of this excitement was over a better player. Yea those 6.5 WAR players suck. When do we go after the 8+ WAR guys ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 08:08 PM) Yea those 6.5 WAR players suck. When do we go after the 8+ WAR guys ? We have Avi Garcia...why would we need a guy like Mike Trout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) It doesn't even make sense if it's 3 years THEN an opt-out (for a four year deal). Cespedes would need to get the opt-out after the first or second year to make it more attractive. Waiting until he's 32-33 is going to depress his market in the same way it impacted Gordon. Edited January 21, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 05:56 PM) Who has said they would go 4? I thought it was Rosenthal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I'll just say this, if Cespedes signs a 4 year deal with another team and it's anyone but the Mets, this board will implode and Rick Hahn might get murdered at SoxFest. This late in the game, it's hard to believe this three year s*** is posturing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 If they aren't willing to go more than 3 years on Cespedes, everything about this has been a waste of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I'd say the odds of cespedes agent using the sox to up the Mets offer is pretty high. still believe the sox have no desire on paying cespedes 20m+ a year. they never ever overpay like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 08:13 PM) I'll just say this, if Cespedes signs a 4 year deal with another team and it's anyone but the Mets, this board will implode and Rick Hahn might get murdered at SoxFest. This late in the game, it's hard to believe this three year s*** is posturing. NASCAR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 08:15 PM) The Nightengale tweet should be very telling to anyone that has been following this situation closely. Please elaborate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Batting Stance Guy @BattingStanceG 2h2 hours ago Yoenis Cespedes will be best player in history to play for all 30 teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I wonder if we see a rumor in next 24 hours linking Sox to Fowler, Jackson or Desmond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 At this point, the Cardinals and Giants and Angels and all those teams we were counting out earlier (including the Rangers and Nationals, who are now apparently back in it)....have to be considered rivals for Fowler and Jackson to a lesser extent. Who are the last four with QO's left on the market? There's Fowler, Desmond, Gallardo and one more, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 08:25 PM) At this point, the Cardinals and Giants and Angels and all those teams we were counting out earlier (including the Rangers and Nationals, who are now apparently back in it)....have to be considered rivals for Fowler and Jackson to a lesser extent. Who are the last four with QO's left on the market? There's Fowler, Desmond, Gallardo and one more, right? Kendrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 06:23 PM) We only have so much information to go off of, so lets use the facts we have. 1. It was reported today by national outlets that the White Sox were one of the finalists for Cespedes 2. It has been very much established over the last year or so that Bob Nightengale is a mouthpiece for the White Sox in so many ways, and has a direct line with someone very high up in the front office. 3. Nothing has been reported by members of the Sox traveling press core that there have been any negotiations or any serious talks between the White Sox and Cespedes. Meaning, the Sox beat reporters for the most part get there information from the team or someone close to the club, and in some ways serve a certain master. If things are getting close, there is no advantage for the White Sox to leak that out there and get people excited. 4. Where you have to make a bit of a leap is guessing why this report came out now. My best guess would be talks started back up, and have now hit a snag. The Sox want to put pressure on things and make a statement(whether or not you think that's the right strategy is another argument) that they are staying firm on 3 years. If you are the White Sox and have that information, are you giving it to Scott Merkin or Dan Hayes, or are you going to go national with someone like Nightengale, to achieve a bigger reach? Right. This is posturing on the part of the Sox. And I wouldn't be surprised if Fathom's second question is also answered in the affirmative. Suddenly, the Sox will be negotiating with Fowler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 08:23 PM) We only have so much information to go off of, so lets use the facts we have. 1. It was reported today by national outlets that the White Sox were one of the finalists for Cespedes 2. It has been very much established over the last year or so that Bob Nightengale is a mouthpiece for the White Sox in so many ways, and has a direct line with someone very high up in the front office. 3. Nothing has been reported by members of the Sox traveling press core that there have been any negotiations or any serious talks between the White Sox and Cespedes. Meaning, the Sox beat reporters for the most part get there information from the team or someone close to the club, and in some ways serve a certain master. If things are getting close, there is no advantage for the White Sox to leak that out there and get people excited. 4. Where you have to make a bit of a leap is guessing why this report came out now. My best guess would be talks started back up, and have now hit a snag. The Sox want to put pressure on things and make a statement(whether or not you think that's the right strategy is another argument) that they are staying firm on 3 years. If you are the White Sox and have that information, are you giving it to Scott Merkin or Dan Hayes, or are you going to go national with someone like Nightengale, to achieve a bigger reach? If I am the White Sox and was offering 4 years, I would want it out there that I wouldn't go more than 3 for other teams' sake. It could keep a teamfrom offering 5 years because they think no one else is offering 4. You can't believe everything you read because the White sox don't negotiate in the press, but like you pointed out, agents and teams leak things for a reason. They are playing the game. Hopefully when this wraps up he is a WhiteSox or else we are going to have to go through this crap,for the next candidate which I think would be Fowler. Steve Stone keep mentioning left handed hitting the other day. Cespedes cover that with reverse splits. Fowler is a better hitter right handed but does get on base and has more power left handed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShandyMan Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I have to think that this is the Sox final push for Yo. I'll get less and less optimistic as time goes by. If it lasts till the weekend hes gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Does anyone actually believe any of the Twitter activity is going to do anything but influence fans and the media relations groups for each team...and Twitter itself? It feels like one of those "well, we were involved all along and tried our best but the terms just weren't right for the long-term financial health of the organization" things. It's pretty hard to conceive how this will be in any way beneficial to the White Sox unless they end up improving the team significantly before Opening Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 08:34 PM) I hate that a pick is attached to Fowler, but given the money involved, the makeup up the current Sox roster, the future, and a number of smaller reasons, I actually want Fowler more than Cespedes. I think it's a better fit. No to Fowler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShandyMan Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) Amazing how quick the mood on this board changes with a simple tweet from a national writer, who hasn't changed anything he has said. I tend to lean toward the inside-source information we're getting. Edited January 21, 2016 by staxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 08:34 PM) I hate that a pick is attached to Fowler, but given the money involved, the makeup up the current Sox roster, the future, and a number of smaller reasons, I actually want Fowler more than Cespedes. I think it's a better fit. Cespedes career OPS .805, Fowler .781. If it saves you $70-80 million, it does seem Fowler is the better choice. If the 2015 Cespedes shows up in 2016, 2017, then he would be worth the payout. Cespedes is the better player, but maybe not if the 2013/2014 version of him shows up for the 2016 season. I think of the big 3 he had the highest ceiling but the lowest floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) Knowing where things stand right now, I almost wish they would have just signed Kendrick, Desmond and stuck Lawrie in the outfield. Lawrie couldn't possibly be worse than Garcia out there, could he? That way, we'd have the potential for above average offensive production from every position on the field, DH would be improved with Garcia/LaRoche platooning and Saladino/Sanchez would fall into their more suitable bench roles. To hell with it...it's to the point where you keep wasting Sale/Q/Rodon seasons and you're increasing the probability each and every season that goes by that one of them goes down to injury and then you're absolutely screwed 100%. The thing is, all these draft picks are going to be arriving way too late to "save" the White Sox in 2019 or 2020 anyway. And we still retain our higher first round draft pick. Edited January 21, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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