Princess Dye Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Still feels like the Nationals are being used to try to pull money out of other teams. They really are fine at OF and the only advantageous thing for them would be to move Werth in a corresponding move, but that will be very hard to do (in a way that benefits them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 42 million for next 2 years of Werth, who is providing a .685 OPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 11:47 AM) It's not the case. Don't people read? I mean f***ing seriously.... Nightengale mostly, but others have said the Sox "may consider" 4 years. In the end they'll either have to give more guaranteed years or they won't sign him. I can't say what is or isn't true, only what is being reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 04:47 PM) It's not the case. Don't people read? I mean f***ing seriously.... Again, who has said more than 3 years has been offered by the Sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 10:50 AM) Again, who has said more than 3 years has been offered by the Sox? Brian has said that the report is nonsense. His word has been good all offseason both privately and publicly. The White Sox want the 3 year thing out there but by no means is it an absolute. It's just regurgitated nonsense that people keep repeating because it's easier to fit the "White Sox are cheap" narrative instead of a negotiating tactic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 10:42 AM) Ha that's great. Makes me pretty confident his agent is stirring all the is Nats BS. Same here. Oh look White Sox, we are serious... look we followed them on Twitter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Ritz Carlton guy has deleted his tweet :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Gentlemen...it's 11 in the morning and I need a drink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 11:55 AM) Gentlemen...it's 11 in the morning and I need a drink It's almost 12 here so go for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 10:34 AM) Funny because if this were the Sox with these signs, you would be declaring him a done deal. I thought that yesterday things were looking up when raBBit posted but, now I feel like I'm floating in a no gravity zone. Don't know which way is up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 10:55 AM) Gentlemen...it's 11 in the morning and I need a drink It's 5 o'clock somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 10:56 AM) Cespedes is going to get 100 million. Sox aren't signing him to a 3/100. This is purely my guess work. 2016: 18 million 2017: 22 million, Player opt out, 4 million buy out 2018: 23 million 2019: 25 million 2020: 27 million, vesting option on PAs If Cespedes stays health he gets 5 yrs 115 million and a 23 AAV. If he kills it for two years, he gets 22 AAV and another stab at the market. Have you heard anything at all from your inside source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 10:34 AM) In all honesty, Hahn's job should be on the line this season It should be but, we all know better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 So...do you guys think all the Nationals news is legit or BS? I tend to believe that they're trying drive the price up on the Mets, but who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 The Nats are the new yankees though in that they have not met a high priced FA they don't like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) So...do you guys think all the Nationals news is legit or BS? I tend to believe that they're trying drive the price up on the Mets, but who knows? I think they are legit interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) Adrian Woj of Yahoo mentioned the Bulls were frontrunners for Caron Butler, and then right after his report came out, Butler signed with another team. It's hilarious but these things go out there and nothing happens. If Washington wants Cespedes, they would have him signed right now. What is the wait for? It is almost February. Everyone wants to get a bargain with Cespedes for some reason. You think perhaps it has to do with his character or his inconsistency through the years. Have to be possibilities. Edited January 21, 2016 by Jose Paniagua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 After seeing the Upton deal, I have been saying there is zero chance the Sox get Cespedes. Realistically, there is no way, given there current motive of operatis, that they are prepared to pay the money Cespedes is going to get. My personal opinion is the only shot the Sox had was to aggressively play him when multiple other options were out there (vs. the slow play). Also, when it comes to the Nats, they have a track record of giving big money and signing big free agents, so when I put two and two together, I find it very unlikely the Sox are going to win this whole deal. The reality is the org needs to stop pretending and be proactive on the alternative options before they get caught with there pants down. Hopefully they are doing just that. PS: I had to create a new thread cause I hate mega threads. That is all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) The Nats are the new yankees though in that they have not met a high priced FA they don't like. Their owner is about as wealthy as anyone, and their payroll is well down from last season. I just don't see the fit. I am probably wrong, but I think if they really are engaged, they may be trying to get the Sox or another team to offer more years and keep him off the Mets. Edited January 21, 2016 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I got Pants one time back in grammar school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 12:02 PM) Their owner is about as wealthy as anyone, and their payroll is well down from last season. I just don't see the fit. I am probably wrong, but I think if they really are engaged, they may be trying to get the Sox or another team to offer more years and keep him off the Mets. Very real possibility, although who knows, maybe they want to cut Werth's playing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 09:02 AM) I got Pants one time back in grammar school. Well Ricky, I hope you learned your lesson. Now close the deal with Fowler before the Big 3 market officially closes and Fowler ends up being the primary target (might already be too late and Fowler's agent is already knowing he isn't going to dance until the Cespedes saga plays out). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 No doubt in my mind that they have had communications with the other options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Are these our options -- Cespedes, or going back to the 70s shorts uniform? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Saufley @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 10:57 AM) I thought that yesterday things were looking up when raBBit posted but, now I feel like I'm floating in a no gravity zone. Don't know which way is up. If you want encouragement, go back and reread the Abreu coming to America thread. Then read the Frazier thread. I have not reviewed either, but definitely recall a roller coaster conversation for at least parts of both and it got a lot worse as the actual deal approached. The hyperbole and desperation also became unbearable and even the smartest posters started either trolling/baiting, or legitimately spewing vitriol. Whether or not the Sox get Cespedes, understand we have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. Even beyond the random blogger/twitter whore, there are all kinds of people with an agenda feeding false information to the masses and it happens all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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