Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 10:01 PM) Now they just need to get that last guy to complete the list. Here's to it happening. Jose Abreu is recruiting him. I hope we get him. We'll see early next week hopefully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 @ChuckGarfien why do you think white sox only want to give Cespedes or Gordon a 3 year deal? https://twitter.com/antwanferguson0/status/...072572452388864 Negotiating. And it sounds like no one else has offered anything more. That's where it's at. https://t.co/pDiGODC1mD https://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/status/683120032080072705 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Max Wildstein is a buddy of mine & just told me that he spoke w/ a source that told him Nightengale's tweet was pure posturing on the White Sox's part. Take it FWIW but he went out of his way to tell me about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 08:42 PM) I'd really feel good about our offseason if we got Frazier, Lawrie and Cespedes and still have 3 top 50 picks. Absolutely. Nothing wrong with having the best of both worlds. Another benefit is the extra draft pool money that allows a bit more flexibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 09:10 PM) Max Wildstein is a buddy of mine & just told me that he spoke w/ a source that told him Nightengale's tweet was pure posturing on the White Sox's part. Take it FWIW but he went out of his way to tell me about it. Thanks for the heads up. Many of us suspected that's what was going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 07:16 PM) Thanks for the heads up. Many of us suspected that's what was going on. I think it's posturing for sure, I just don't know why the Sox would have done that. Garfien seems to think they could have done this as well, too. I guess what it does confirm, yet again, is that they are right in the mix for one of these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 10:10 PM) Max Wildstein is a buddy of mine & just told me that he spoke w/ a source that told him Nightengale's tweet was pure posturing on the White Sox's part. Take it FWIW but he went out of his way to tell me about it. Thanks for the update! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 10:18 PM) I think it's posturing for sure, I just don't know why the Sox would have done that. Garfien seems to think they could have done this as well, too. I guess what it does confirm, yet again, is that they are right in the mix for one of these guys. Ken Rosenthal saying he expects us to land one of the two was good enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 07:21 PM) Ken Rosenthal saying he expects us to land one of the two was good enough for me. Nightengale & I want to say Heyman does, too. I am a worst case scenario type guy, especially with the Sox. Just want to see it official, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 09:18 PM) I think it's posturing for sure, I just don't know why the Sox would have done that. Garfien seems to think they could have done this as well, too. I guess what it does confirm, yet again, is that they are right in the mix for one of these guys. Garfien also seems to suggest that no other team is willing to go beyond 3 years for their services as of this moment. That would absolutely shock me if that was the case. Guess we'll just have to see how this plays out. I'll be extremely disappointed if the Sox cannot get something done with any of the big 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 10:22 PM) Nightengale & I want to say Heyman does, too. I am a worst case scenario type guy, especially with the Sox. Just want to see it official, lol. Oh absolutely. It's not done til it's official. I get that. I remember seeing years ago that Cliff Lee was a Yankee. We all know how that ended. Same thing with Chapman being a dodger. I don't remember Nightengale saying it. I think Joel Sherman did. Heyman had us as possible favorite for Gordon in an article. I just want us to get this done. I think adding Lawrie and Frazier to a solid core helps with it. I think it'll be Cespedes and Abreu will help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Does anyone know the relationship between Abreu and Cespedes? Are they friends? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 09:27 PM) Does anyone know the relationship between Abreu and Cespedes? Are they friends? It has been mentioned they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 09:18 PM) I think it's posturing for sure, I just don't know why the Sox would have done that. Garfien seems to think they could have done this as well, too. I guess what it does confirm, yet again, is that they are right in the mix for one of these guys. Cespedes said when the off season began that he wanted 6 years. If what Garfien says is true, I believe him, then Cespedes only being offered 3 years sounds more like a ploy from his agent in an effort to get more teams into the mix to up the ante in years. Makes some sense since there's so many outfielders available and the usual big spenders like the Yanks, Boston, Dodgers and cubs are out of it. Sounds as though the FA outfielders asking prices have had no choice but to come down. Interesting things going on right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 07:26 PM) Oh absolutely. It's not done til it's official. I get that. I remember seeing years ago that Cliff Lee was a Yankee. We all know how that ended. Same thing with Chapman being a dodger. I don't remember Nightengale saying it. I think Joel Sherman did. Heyman had us as possible favorite for Gordon in an article. I just want us to get this done. I think adding Lawrie and Frazier to a solid core helps with it. I think it'll be Cespedes and Abreu will help. I think adding Cespedes/Gordon would be huge to complete their lineup. I also think if they sign Cespedes, they'll bring Alexei back on a cheaper deal (1 year/ $3-5M w/ 2nd year team option) & an upside SP for the back of the rotation. Although, I'd be fine with Saladino at SS, if they can afford to bring Alexei back for a year or two until Anderson is ready, I won't particularly mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 09:27 PM) Does anyone know the relationship between Abreu and Cespedes? Are they friends? I posted a article a while back and Abreu said he would like Cespedes on the team and thinks he would be good for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 09:26 PM) I just want us to get this done. I think adding Lawrie and Frazier to a solid core helps with it. I think it'll be Cespedes and Abreu will help. Not until the agents and players finally flinch. They're soon going to realize that no dumb team is going to enter the scene and fork over a boatload of cash for no raisin, and it is likely that there will not be a bidding war. Couple that with the fact that there are still 6 or so outfielders looking for work and we are now into the new year. Finally, the players and agents will be faced with a decision. Do or don't sign a contract from the one team that is probably offering the best contract available before that one team lands one of your competitors. The agents are probably getting exhausted from trying to win this staring contest and drum up some kind of bidding war. I'm genuinely curious to see where the other 2 players will land and what kind of deal they get. As much as some may love to hate JR for having a tight purse, or what have you, I appreciate the strategy that the Sox employ particularly with this market. The players and agents appear to have no leverage whatsoever other then "Our player (Cespedes, Upton, Gordon) is better then Avi Garcia". And that isn't much, in my opinion. It would be absolutely ridiculous for the Sox to just decide to panic and pay these guys what they want just to get it done and over with. Without other seriously interested parties, the only risk of the Sox losing on any of these 3 players is that they would all decide to sit out the season. Not happening. This process may yet last a couple of weeks, but eventually a player will decide to not be one of the two still holding the pot. Edited January 2, 2016 by South Sider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) Or more accurately, adding some combination of Span/Parra/CarGo/Ethier/Gardner/Inciarte/Blackmon along with the likes of Austin Jackson (against lefties and rotating DH) is much palatable than overcommitting in years and dollars to the Big 3 plus Davis. Almost nobody truly believes the White Sox can compete with Garcia in the field and Saladino at SS and Laroche not sharing the DH spot with a legit platoon partner. As long as teams believe that one of those four is the one to get them over the top, there will be a bidding field of 9-11 teams and at least 3-4 for each player. Except for the Mets, there aren't many teams who want to "go cheap/er" and risk the consequence of spending the same amount roughly for cheaper options in combination and having them blow up...the Tigers, Orioles, Angels, Cards, Giants, White Sox, Nationals, Red Sox, Royals...all looking for OF upgrades still. And the pendulum shifts too far, teams will start asking for too much in trade return, teams will look at the cost/benefit and decide not giving up talent or picks might be the better way to go...or giving up picks for Gordon/Upton/Davis but no valuable young talent surrendered. That can then be held back for June/July adjustment moves. Edited January 2, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I will say gordon signs for 4 years 80 mil and cespedes 5 years 120 mil. P.S. that be there contract with any teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (peavy44 @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 08:22 PM) I will say gordon signs for 4 years 80 mil and cespedes 5 years 120 mil. P.S. that be there contract with any teams. The Gordon projection seems about on give or a take a mil or two per season but Cespedes' numbers are high. I can't see him getting $24M AAV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 10:36 PM) The Gordon projection seems about on give or a take a mil or two per season but Cespedes' numbers are high. I can't see him getting $24M AAV. What you see then 5 years 110 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (peavy44 @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 08:41 PM) What you see then 5 years 110 million I'd say $19-21M annually sounds about right. 3-5 years, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (peavy44 @ Jan 2, 2016 -> 05:22 AM) I will say gordon signs for 4 years 80 mil and cespedes 5 years 120 mil. P.S. that be there contract with any teams. No way the Royals will give Gordon 20 million a year for any time frame. If it's true the Sox will go only 3 years then obviously they won't be signing anybody not named Parra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Maybe they going after upton 3 years with opt clause after year 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Maybe cespedes takes a 1 year deal if he don't get offered the money he wanna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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