Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (peavy44 @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 11:54 PM) Maybe cespedes takes a 1 year deal if he don't get offered the money he wanna. No chance IMO. He'll get his money. So will Gordon and Upton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 11:00 PM) No chance IMO. He'll get his money. So will Gordon and Upton. From who not many bidders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (peavy44 @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 10:54 PM) Maybe cespedes takes a 1 year deal if he don't get offered the money he wanna. I don't think so, the money won't be any better next off season, and he'll most likely never have higher value than he does right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (peavy44 @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 10:54 PM) Maybe cespedes takes a 1 year deal if he don't get offered the money he wanna. Can't see that. He's going to want to cash in on his career year he had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I got a weird feeling we may sign one of these guys tomorrow... Just my gut feeling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 If the Sox are using the media to influence negotiations they are obviously pretty close and are pulling out all the stops to get the right deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) You can make an argument for Gordon or Upton going shorter because of the horrific FA market next year and their injuries (Gordon) or inconsistency (Upton). For a player in the prime of his career, you're not hearing about many teams aggressively pursuing Upton, at least not in the press. Could be a smokescreen. That said, you could imagine Gordon coming off an injury-filled year betting on himself bouncing back and signing a shorter deal for one year. On the other hand, Cespedes is never going to have a better season and age 30 is the perfect time to strike. Still, there are at least 9-12 teams who would love one of those four. Edited January 2, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 11:27 PM) You can make an argument for Gordon or Upton going shorter because of the horrific FA market next year and their injuries (Gordon) or inconsistency (Upton). For a player in the prime of his career, you're not hearing about many teams aggressively pursuing Upton, at least not in the press. Could be a smokescreen. That said, you could imagine Gordon coming off an injury-filled year betting on himself bouncing back and signing a shorter deal for one year. On the other hand, Cespedes is never going to have a better season and age 30 is the perfect time to strike. Still, there are at least 9-12 teams who would love one of those four. I thought I read somewhere that teams were questioning Upton's effort/work ethic or something along those lines. I could be mistaken, but I swear I saw that in an article recently (could have even been on this board too). If that's true, then that might be why there literally doesn't seem to be any market for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 11:25 PM) If the Sox are using the media to influence negotiations they are obviously pretty close and are pulling out all the stops to get the right deal. Don't get me excited please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 The common theme I keep seeing amongst twitter & here seems to be an opt out with these guys & I see 1 big issue with that. It's been said the Sox would probably need to backload the first year of a deal to make it work since they obviously aren't dealing LaRoche to clear cap room. If they need to backload the first year, it would not benefit a player at all to have a lower salary year 1 & on top of that have an opt out a year or two later. It would involve them losing out on money. From what I've read, it sure just seems like the market is not developing & these FAs are having a hard time coming to grips with that. From what I can tell, no teams have made any offers & even if they did, they haven't been nearly good enough to warrant an agreement. Sooner rather than later, players are going to have to sign & simply bite the bullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 What will happen first we get too 100 pages here or sox sign a big 3 guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 11:33 PM) I thought I read somewhere that teams were questioning Upton's effort/work ethic or something along those lines. I could be mistaken, but I swear I saw that in an article recently (could have even been on this board too). If that's true, then that might be why there literally doesn't seem to be any market for him. Didn't stop the Red Sox with Ramirez and Sandoval last year...talent always gets opportunity, despite question marks, on character/work ethic, until the cost/benefit no longer comes out positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Nightengale will be on 670 this morning, 9:20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jan 2, 2016 -> 08:43 AM) Nightengale will be on 670 this morning, 9:20 Thanks for the heads up.ill be listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 1, 2016 -> 09:10 PM) Max Wildstein is a buddy of mine & just told me that he spoke w/ a source that told him Nightengale's tweet was pure posturing on the White Sox's part. Take it FWIW but he went out of his way to tell me about it. Starting off the day better today. Looking forward to a one of the big three signing!! I would really be happy with RH and the FO!! That lineup would be looking good and then a few more tweaks and we're ready to compete! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jan 2, 2016 -> 07:43 AM) Nightengale will be on 670 this morning, 9:20 Can't really imagine him saying anything we don't know already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDWhiteSoxFan Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 2, 2016 -> 12:27 AM) You can make an argument for Gordon or Upton going shorter because of the horrific FA market next year and their injuries (Gordon) or inconsistency (Upton). For a player in the prime of his career, you're not hearing about many teams aggressively pursuing Upton, at least not in the press. Could be a smokescreen. That said, you could imagine Gordon coming off an injury-filled year betting on himself bouncing back and signing a shorter deal for one year. On the other hand, Cespedes is never going to have a better season and age 30 is the perfect time to strike. Still, there are at least 9-12 teams who would love one of those four. They should've taken their QOs then. I don't see many teams lining up to give them 1 year deals and giving up a pick in the process. That said it only takes 1 to make it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 If they only want 3 years, then frontload, not backload. Offer Cespedes 3/102, with an opt out after 3. 24 per for 3 years, then it drops to 15 per for 2. Opt out after 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 2, 2016 -> 08:06 AM) If they only want 3 years, then frontload, not backload. Offer Cespedes 3/102, with an opt out after 3. 24 per for 3 years, then it drops to 15 per for 2. Opt out after 3. That is conceptually what I've been advocating. None of us know what the numbers would have to be, but the idea is very compelling to me. The goal is to get the guy to play for the Sox during his best prime years. The Sox' motive for giving the player the opt out is to encourage him to leave. By front loading the contract, and reducing the amount he would earn, if he elects to stay, the player has the greatest motivation to leave. The other factor that really intrigues me is that, with that kind of a contract, the player has every incentive to remain highly motivated, until he reaches the point where he can opt out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) The problem is the White Sox would be $30-35 million over their supposed budget this year...that big a jump would be unprecedented without following playoffs or competitive seasons. Next year, less of an issue. Essentially it's deliberately spending into a loss for at least one year or more if it backfires..for a payoff more likely in 2017 and 18. Edited January 2, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Well, nothing new as of 8:30am. No surprise since its early morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 No balls of steel if Hahn is sleeping in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 2, 2016 -> 08:34 AM) The problem is the White Sox would be $30-35 million over their supposed budget this year...that big a jump would be unprecedented without following playoffs or competitive seasons. Next year, less of an issue. Essentially it's deliberately spending into a loss for at least one year or more if it backfires..for a payoff more likely in 2017 and 18. What have the White Sox publicly announced as their 2016 payroll budget? And how is saying it is a big problem when in another thread you said they should sign Latos, Desmond, and Parra for $30 million ? Just try once to be consistent. Edited January 2, 2016 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Announcing an official intended budget would kind of be counterproductive...we can do it fairly closely looking at attendance, projected season ticket sales, profit/loss in the prior year and following all the Forbes numbers cumulatively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 2, 2016 -> 08:51 AM) Announcing an official intended budget would kind of be counterproductive...we can do it fairly closely looking at attendance, projected season ticket sales, profit/loss in the prior year and following all the Forbes numbers cumulatively. Can you provide links to projected season ticket sales, and the 2015 P&L? You have no idea what the budget it. No one here does. And if you are following Forbes numbers you will have to conclude they are sitting on a pile of cash. Edited January 2, 2016 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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