Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 05:27 PM) Exactly, they did more than enough within the trade market. Sack up, pay Cespedes & move on to the next move. Ya. We gave up enough prospects. If they need to make a move at the deadline so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 05:30 PM) I actually like Austin Jackson a little more as a buy low guy right now. His defense was atleast passable. If we didn't have LaRoche, I'd sign him move him to CF and move Eaton to LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 04:10 PM) If Justin Upton, a 3.6 fWAR player last year and 4.0 fWAR the year before that, makes them a competitor, then Dexter Fowler, a 3.2 fWAR player last year and 1.4 fWAR the year before that leaves them still pretty darn competitive. That's not the difference between 88 and 82 wins. If Dexter Fowler doesn't make them competitive, then the big 2 probably doesn't make them competitive either. They'd have a tiny bit of extra work to do in the latter case. I see your point and I like it Balta but I think it completey overlooks lineup impact. WAR fails to acknowledge the fact that the one player makes our lineup scary while the other doesn't. Who the hell wants to pitch to Abreu Cespedes & Frazier? Those guys can change the score with one swing. One bad pitch changes the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 02:45 PM) I see your point and I like it Balta but I think it completey overlooks lineup impact. WAR fails to acknowledge the fact that the one player makes our lineup scary while the other doesn't. Who the hell wants to pitch to Abreu Cespedes & Frazier? Those guys can change the score with one swing. One bad pitch changes the game. Exactly. Projections & past stats are cool but it's a much different situation given the scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 05:45 PM) I see your point and I like it Balta but I think it completey overlooks lineup impact. WAR fails to acknowledge the fact that the one player makes our lineup scary while the other doesn't. Who the hell wants to pitch to Abreu Cespedes & Frazier? Those guys can change the score with one swing. One bad pitch changes the game. Look at the other key stat though - Cespedes has a career .319 OBP. Fowler has a career .363. How many more runs score because Abreu hits a 2 run double instead of a bases empty double? And then throw in the extra work on the starting pitcher, etc. If this lineup is scary with Cespedes, it's pretty darn good with Fowler. If this lineup isn't competitive with Fowler, it's not scary with Cespedes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I still think at this point I'd take power over OBP. I would have preferred Gordon, but I could not stand how it took 4 singles to get a run last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I really hope the Sox can sign Cespedes or Upton or some of the comments made on this board are going to be unbearable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 04:59 PM) I still think at this point I'd take power over OBP. I would have preferred Gordon, but I could not stand how it took 4 singles to get a run last year. If Cespedes is added that's 3 guys in sox lineup with 30 homerun potential and possibly 100 rbis each Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 05:59 PM) I still think at this point I'd take power over OBP. I would have preferred Gordon, but I could not stand how it took 4 singles to get a run last year. The white sox were 14th in the AL in OBP last year and 15th in HR. They needed improvements in both, and they added an improvement in 1 of them so far, with 2 guys who can hit HR but do a weak job of getting on base. They are upgrades in on base over last year because the positions were so bad, but as of right now, this lineup is still near the bottom of the AL in getting on base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 05:01 PM) I really hope the Sox can sign Cespedes or Upton or some of the comments made on this board are going to be unbearable. Ya I could see the Sox not getting anyone and Hahn going well just didnt find anyone to fit in so looks like the is it for the rest of the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 05:03 PM) The white sox were 14th in the AL in OBP last year and 15th in HR. They needed improvements in both, and they added an improvement in 1 of them so far, with 2 guys who can hit HR but do a weak job of getting on base. They are upgrades in on base over last year because the positions were so bad, but as of right now, this lineup is still near the bottom of the AL in getting on base. Let's take care of both and sign Upton then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 The white sox were 14th in the AL in OBP last year and 15th in HR. They needed improvements in both, and they added an improvement in 1 of them so far, with 2 guys who can hit HR but do a weak job of getting on base. They are upgrades in on base over last year because the positions were so bad, but as of right now, this lineup is still near the bottom of the AL in getting on base. Lawrie got on base .030 more than Sanchez last year. Frazier is a similar improvement over whatever that was playing 3B last year. Not to mention the vast improvement at C and departure of my beloved, but very bad at getting on base, Alexei. Just because guys don't have a .350+ OBP doesn't mean they cannot be improvements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 06:09 PM) Let's take care of both and sign Upton then He'd help on this but if you look closely his OBP has a clearly worrisome downward signal. 2011: .369 2012: .355 2013: .354 2014: .342 2015: .336 So yeah, better than Cespedes at getting on base, more power than Fowler, but also gets on base less than Fowler and striking out a lot more. Again, if this team isn't competitive with Fowler, they're not competitive with the big 2 no matter how much bigger their names are. If this team is competitive with the big 2, they're just about as close with Fowler and need a tiny bit of additional work to match the bigger names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 BTW I'd rather have Fowler than Upton. Cespedes is a tier above those guys and doesn't cost a pick. Same story it's been for the past few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 05:06 PM) Ya I could see the Sox not getting anyone and Hahn going well just didnt find anyone to fit in so looks like the is it for the rest of the offseason. I think the Sox will either sign or trade for somebody, just might not be the high caliper player some might be expecting. There is definitely some high hopes and unrealistic expectations for a team that's already at its budget ceiling. Not saying JR will not raise it some, but I'm not going to assume he will til said or proven otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 05:28 PM) I think the Sox will either sign or trade for somebody, just might not be the high caliper player some might be expecting. There is definitely some high hopes and unrealistic expectations for a team that's already at its budget ceiling. Not saying JR will not raise it some, but I'm not going to assume he will til said or proven otherwise. At this point I'm not sure what they are going to do. Need to do more with the acquisitions of Frazier and Lawrie, though!! What will JR let RH do?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 05:12 PM) He'd help on this but if you look closely his OBP has a clearly worrisome downward signal. 2011: .369 2012: .355 2013: .354 2014: .342 2015: .336 So yeah, better than Cespedes at getting on base, more power than Fowler, but also gets on base less than Fowler and striking out a lot more. Again, if this team isn't competitive with Fowler, they're not competitive with the big 2 no matter how much bigger their names are. If this team is competitive with the big 2, they're just about as close with Fowler and need a tiny bit of additional work to match the bigger names. For the perhaps 20-25 times more often a season Fowler might get on base, I'll take the 10-15 extra home runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 07:10 PM) For the perhaps 20-25 times more often a season Fowler might get on base, I'll take the 10-15 extra home runs. Apparently I need to repeat this. Again, if this team isn't competitive with Fowler, they're not competitive with the big 2 no matter how much bigger their names are. If this team is competitive with the big 2, they're just about as close with Fowler and need a tiny bit of additional work to match the bigger names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) Whelp my prediction we'd sign Cespedes is off. Damn those "sources" lol Edited January 7, 2016 by SouthSideSale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 06:21 PM) Whelp my prediction we'd sign Cespedes is off. Damn those "sources" lol What was your prediction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 05:01 PM) I really hope the Sox can sign Cespedes or Upton or some of the comments made on this board are going to be unbearable. Come on. That's really the fun of this board. It's like watching NASCAR or preschool dance recitals. They are mostly boring but you just wait for the crashes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 06:20 PM) Apparently I need to repeat this. So you think if the Mets traded for Fowler instead of Cespedes they would have made the World Seriies or would have come close? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 If the White Sox don't sign one of the remaining free agents they just simply go in another direction. Maybe trade LaRoche, Danks and Garcia to the Angels for Mike Trout. I would like to think that most White Sox fans would be pleased with that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 07:24 PM) What was your prediction? Today, 6 for $125 mil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 06:42 PM) Today, 6 for $125 mil Today ain't over yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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