ChiSox59 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 04:03 PM) I'm not worried about this yet. Until these guys sign with other teams I still have a little hope. I obviously hope the Sox can make a splash, but perhaps Cespedes/Upton aren't the best options. Throwing 5 years and ~$125M at Cespedes is going to bite you in the ass at some point, and perhaps very, very hard. I'm not against trying to get one of those guys, but there is more than one way to make this team a competitor, and those players aren't without their flaws. Gordon was the guy I was hoping for most. Edited January 7, 2016 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I've been very patient with this offseason. I think we get Cespedes and it happens soon. I think this is just jockeying the media and playing games. We got this guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I say we see if Garcia can give up more than 11 runs next year. That should be an interesting experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 A lot of tweets the Sox won't go more than 3 years. No tweets they are out on anyone. Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Per Jon Heyman, Giants are nearing a deal with Denard Span. One less serious contender out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) I agree with the notion that the Front Office is posturing. This is likely a negotiating ploy. They did not trade a bunch of prospects, to acquire two guys, with only two years remaining, before free agency, to end up not being competitive this season. They clearly intend to upgrade both the outfield and the offense. They need a clean up hitter, and Cespedes is probably the best bet. Moreover, why would Abreu be recruiting him, if they weren't seriously intent on acquiring him? The question is; What kind of contract will it take? I still favor giving him more years, but with the contract front loaded, and an opt out, for the player after either the 2ND or 3RD year. We don't talk enough about the positive effect of having the player remain motivated, and playing for a contract, even after he signs one of these deals. It's just human nature to become a little complacent, after being guaranteed tens of millions of dollars. If the Sox don't want to be locked into a long term deal, structure the contract in such a way that the player will not only be incentivized to stay motivated to perform, but also encouraged to leave, after that point at which you don't want to be on the hook. Of course there is no guarantee that he will, in fact, opt out, but at least you are providing a huge incentive for him to do so. Again, how about something like $25 Million per year, for the first 3 years, with an opt out after 2 years? The final 3 years of the deal could be at something substantially less, like perhaps $15 Million per year. The end of that 2ND year would be very interesting, as Cespedes would have to weigh giving up the guarantee of big money, for one more year, in exchange for getting a better deal for the last years of the existing contract, or even extending it. Adding to the equation would be the weak free agent class, which would be expected to improve the following year. Edited January 7, 2016 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 04:41 PM) Per Jon Heyman, Giants are nearing a deal with Denard Span. One less serious contender out there. That would be huge. IMO the only other serious contenders if SF signs Span is Balt, LAA (who is up against the cap or spending limit), CHW, Det (ditto AF), and Wash. I will say there been a more talk this week about Cespedes and the Nats. I just want Cespy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 02:46 PM) That would be huge. IMO the only other serious contenders if SF signs Span is Balt, LAA (who is up against the cap or spending limit), CHW, Det (ditto AF), and Wash. I will say there been a more talk this week about Cespedes and the Nats. I just want Cespy May want to add TEX to that list as well. Cap constricted but could happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 03:33 PM) Well, if true, makes 0 sense. Sure it does. If any of the OF had substantially better offers, they would have taken them. They hold their ground on the deal until someone offers more. Then they can raise it ,if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 The weirdest thing to me has been Upton's clear coldness toward sox. He seems crazy to limit his market even further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 03:48 PM) or maybe it's because they don't want to tie up 20-25% of their payroll on an inconsistent player coming off a career year (Cespedes) or a player that many scouts question their passion for the game (Upton) Ding, Ding Ding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 04:50 PM) The weirdest thing to me has been Upton's clear coldness toward sox. He seems crazy to limit his market even further. Has there been any real reports about that? I've heard he's not real keen on the Sox, but I think I just read that here. Not sure why he'd prefer Baltimore to Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 He's from Virginia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 04:50 PM) Ding, Ding Ding! Which of the brothers Upton has the reputation of being a high talent, low work ethic dog? I know I have heard it, but for some reason can not recall if it is Justin or Melvin. I tried a search but each is maligned for various reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 05:41 PM) Per Jon Heyman, Giants are nearing a deal with Denard Span. One less serious contender out there. Excellent. Didn't think they were a serious threat since signing Shark and Cueto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 04:55 PM) Which of the brothers Upton has the reputation of being a high talent, low work ethic dog? I know I have heard it, but for some reason can not recall if it is Justin or Melvin. I tried a search but each is maligned for various reasons. Melvin/BJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 05:05 PM) Melvin/BJ. Thank you, sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 The #SFGiants never considered long term deal with Cespedes or Upton before turning to Span - Nightengale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 @BNightengale The #SFGiants never considered long term deal with Cespedes or Upton before turning to Span Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I really like our chances. Only team that scares me is Detroit. LAA? I don't know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 05:11 PM) I really like our chances. Only team that scares me is Detroit. LAA? I don't know I think Detroit is sitting back just waiting. The owner is dirt old and wants to win. My gut says he just throws whatever the hell it takes to get him back there last second. They are playing their cards close but I think when it comes down to it they will wipe everyone out with their offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 03:13 PM) I think Detroit is sitting back just waiting. The owner is dirt old and wants to win. My gut says he just throws whatever the hell it takes to get him back there last second. They are playing their cards close but I think when it comes down to it they will wipe everyone out with their offer. That's my gut feeling as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 04:54 PM) He's from Virginia. Fair enough. But still yet to see any credible source say that Upton is against signing with the White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Detroit, St. Louis, Washington, Baltimore. Those are the teams that are left that worry me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) I really like our chances. Only team that scares me is Detroit. LAA? I don't know The only team that scares me is the White Sox. Been there, done that. Edited January 7, 2016 by Big Hurtin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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