Kyyle23 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (bear_brian @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:02 PM) who would you rather have?? Saladino and Sanchez or Frazier and Lawrie in your lineup???? I know someone who wants choice A. He doesnt like heros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Shocked that Kaplan thinks the price was steep. I'm sure he's mad he can't mention the Cubs on his show all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 11:57 AM) Melky seemed to be getting it together as the season progressed. One of the best memories this season is that big July winning streak where we'd put up 7-10 runs per game and Melky went 18-35. Yeah but his season thudded after that. I don't think he proved anything. wRC+ by month: 70 39 93 175 95 80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 01:03 PM) Its going to be Saladino/Frazier and Lawrie so I dont understand the question. Last year it was Saladino 3B, Sanchez 2B. This year it is Frazier, and Lawrie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:03 PM) Its going to be Saladino/Frazier and Lawrie so I dont understand the question. I think he meant if Saladino would've been the full time third baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Knuckles @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:02 PM) Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal Immediate question: Why didn’t #Reds take #WhiteSox’s package instead of #Dodgers’? Rival execs think LAD did much better than CIN. Funny that the Sox and Dodgers both dealt prospects in the dame deal and what the Sox gave up is considered stronger, especially with 2 being position players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peppers312 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Knuckles @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:04 PM) Last year it was Saladino 3B, Sanchez 2B. This year it is Frazier, and Lawrie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:03 PM) Shocked that Kaplan thinks the price was steep. I'm sure he's mad he can't mention the Cubs on his show all day. f*** that Humpty Dumpty looking fool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I posted this yesterday but Frazier's salary + Saladino's salary + Alexei's buyout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:06 PM) I posted this yesterday but Frazier's salary + Saladino's salary + Alexei's buyout I think this increases the chances of Alexei coming back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I think there's too much weight being given to Todd's interleague splits by those down on this deal. You're looking at roughly half a season of at-bats over the last 4 years and trying to translate that to what we should expect...that's not fair. While he still struggled during interleague last season, he hit much better than he had the previous two which tells me that he may have become more familiar with the pitching...but again, sample size, so who knows. He's a talented player and is filling a position that has been a black hole on this team for nearly a decade. Even slashing .250/.310/.450 with ~25hr per season with decent D will serve as a HUGE upgrade for the Sox. This also allows us to fill another perpetual black hole at 2b with another solid bat in Lawrie. Fantastic moves that didn't cost us much in the way of talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 01:06 PM) I think this increases the chances of Alexei coming back. The beat guys are saying the organization loves Saladino at SS, wanted to build up offense around him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Monumental improvements at 2b and 3b going into next year. Let's get Raburn now to platoon with LaRoche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Knuckles @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:07 PM) The beat guys are saying the organization loves Saladino at SS, wanted to build up offense around him. With the additions of Fraizer and Lawrie now at 2B, instead of 3B, you can hide a guy like Saladino better, especially if they can add a power bat in the OF too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:07 PM) I think there's too much weight being given to Todd's interleague splits by those down on this deal. You're looking at roughly half a season of at-bats over the last 4 years and trying to translate that to what we should expect...that's not fair. While he still struggled during interleague last season, he hit much better than he had the previous two which tells me that he may have become more familiar with the pitching...but again, sample size, so who knows. He's a talented player and is filling a position that has been a black hole on this team for nearly a decade. Even slashing .250/.310/.450 with ~25hr per season with decent D will serve as a HUGE upgrade for the Sox. This also allows us to fill another perpetual black hole at 2b with another solid bat in Lawrie. Fantastic moves that didn't cost us much in the way of talent. I don't know if that will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 If the Warriors don't win the NBA championship this past year, I'm not sure this deal gets done as is. Probably Trayce's most valuable asset to is his name value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:29 AM) I have to say, I find this deal fair, and it makes a lot of sense. I'm nervous, because every deal Hahn made that has been fair and makes sense has been a disaster. I agree this deal is fair. I'd consider it a slight win if we make the OF move we are all waiting for. If we don't, than I think much less of this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Sanchez as the utility guy looks pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear_brian Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Last week, after acquiring Lawrie, heard the Oakland beat writer talk about him. She said that she thinks 2B is his best position, that he can really do well there. Says his defense was impacted by being moved around so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:10 PM) Sanchez as the utility guy looks pretty good. Sox seemed very afraid of playing him on the left side of the infield . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpd9189 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:07 PM) I think there's too much weight being given to Todd's interleague splits by those down on this deal. You're looking at roughly half a season of at-bats over the last 4 years and trying to translate that to what we should expect...that's not fair. While he still struggled during interleague last season, he hit much better than he had the previous two which tells me that he may have become more familiar with the pitching...but again, sample size, so who knows. He's a talented player and is filling a position that has been a black hole on this team for nearly a decade. Even slashing .250/.310/.450 with ~25hr per season with decent D will serve as a HUGE upgrade for the Sox. This also allows us to fill another perpetual black hole at 2b with another solid bat in Lawrie. Fantastic moves that didn't cost us much in the way of talent. Lawrie had an OBP of .299 and was a 0.6 WAR player last year. You can always hope for the best but it's not like we picked up the 2nd coming of Joe Morgan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:10 PM) I agree this deal is fair. I'd consider it a slight win if we make the OF move we are all waiting for. If we don't, than I think much less of this deal. Cespedes for the rest of us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:33 AM) The Sox farm system just went down a couple of pegs. I really liked Micah and Montas who was throwing 100 at a game I was at. Trayce is overrated but would be a great 4th OF. This move is fine as long as they don't stop now boys. If you go into the season like this hoping for Avi to finally discover the difference between a ball and a strike, not only do you waste Sale, Abreu, Q. You also waste half of your control with both Lawrie and Frazier. It is imperative to get another bat for the OF. Agreed. I wonder if the Sox are going to use some additional bullets for a younger, cost-controlled guy or try and buy low on Puig. The whole just spend $20M per year long term is pretty risky vs. trading for a younger asset (if you can find it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 06:10 PM) If the Warriors don't win the NBA championship this past year, I'm not sure this deal gets done as is. Probably Trayce's most valuable asset to is his name value. Agree, just like how Samardzija would be less hyped if he played at New Mexico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 01:11 PM) Sox seemed very afraid of playing him on the left side of the infield . Lack of arm strenght for SS/3B? But you live with that couple times a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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