greg775 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 11:08 PM) I should know better than to read these threads, nothing but unfounded negativity. I am absolutely fired up about this trade and there is more on the horizon. The Sox are gonna be nasty this season. Geez, it's not been that negative. Just because some of us question sending 3 big leaguers for 1 as possibly being an overpay doesn't mean we don't like the idea of Frazier. You must want 100 percent gung-ho-ism about this deal. QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 11:09 PM) It's truly amazing to me how anyone could be down about this trade. Most who don't like it believe Trayce will turn into a superstar or that Frazier will turn into Josh Fields. Those 3 prospects we traded all will be in the big leagues this year. It's more than human nature to be a bit concerned about an NL slugger coming over to the AL. Not down about the trade, but not doing cartwheels. We've been there and been burned before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 A starting pitcher that's available that makes sense if you are going all in....Mark Buehrle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I will be shocked if Micah Johnson gets a lot of at bats. I like him as a person, so hopefully he becomes their designated pinch runner late in games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/i...trade-with-reds Comprehensive analysis of the trade by ESPN gives White Sox and Dodgers winning marks, questions what the Reds were thinking... Looks like there's a good chance Thompson and Pederson could be platoon partners in CF. One thing is for sure, between Van Slyke, Crawford, Ethier, Pederson, Puig and Thompson, at least one of those players has to go (and the Dodgers would prefer to dump Crawford or Ethier and get younger). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 07:35 PM) Geez, it's not been that negative. Just because some of us question sending 3 big leaguers for 1 as possibly being an overpay doesn't mean we don't like the idea of Frazier. You must want 100 percent gung-ho-ism about this deal Those 3 prospects we traded all will be in the big leagues this year. It's more than human nature to be a bit concerned about an NL slugger coming over to the AL. Not down about the trade, but not doing cartwheels. We've been there and been burned before. Lol. Still sticking with the three big league players thing. If that's the case the Dodgers are going to be in last place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Good stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFinn Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Has anybody noticed that this big trade happened on a Wednesday? Thing that make you go hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (BigFinn @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:06 PM) Has anybody noticed that this big trade happened on a Wednesday? Thing that make you go hmmm. Please elaborate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 07:35 PM) Geez, it's not been that negative. Just because some of us question sending 3 big leaguers for 1 as possibly being an overpay doesn't mean we don't like the idea of Frazier. You must want 100 percent gung-ho-ism about this deal. Those 3 prospects we traded all will be in the big leagues this year. It's more than human nature to be a bit concerned about an NL slugger coming over to the AL. Not down about the trade, but not doing cartwheels. We've been there and been burned before. Unless Trayce and Micah get traded again, they will not be in the big leagues next year more than a late call up/pinch runner. Montas is the only one that has the potential to be anything more than an average major leaguer. The Sox cannot develop positional players so I'm fine trading lower level prospects for All Star black-hole filling third baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFinn Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:07 PM) Please elaborate. A few years ago, Kenny was making significant trades and announcing free agent signings on Wednesdays. It was kind of a joke, it's Wednesday so Kenny must be up to something . . . . I have a feeling that this is more of a Kenny Williams win now move, rather than a Rick Hahn build through the system move. Not that trading for Frazier is a bad thing. I just thought it was interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:11 PM) Unless Trayce and Micah get traded again, they will not be in the big leagues next year more than a late call up/pinch runner. Montas is the only one that has the potential to be anything more than an average major leaguer. The Sox cannot develop positional players so I'm fine trading lower level prospects for All Star black-hole filling third baseman. Right now, the Dodgers are projecting Thompson to platoon with Pederson in CF, Micah with Kiki Hernandez at 2B and Montas in the pen/AAA/or packaged for a frontline starting pitcher. That means Van Slyke and Ethier/Crawford (best deal available to Friedman) are likely gone. At least one of those three. Since they just went to the trouble of trying to project an image of solidarity between Puig and Kershaw down in Cuba, it's either they are set to keep Puig and repair the off-season PR damage/not sell low or the greatest con game in history. http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/i...trade-with-reds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (BigFinn @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 03:27 AM) A few years ago, Kenny was making significant trades and announcing free agent signings on Wednesdays. It was kind of a joke, it's Wednesday so Kenny must be up to something . . . . I have a feeling that this is more of a Kenny Williams win now move, rather than a Rick Hahn build through the system move. Not that trading for Frazier is a bad thing. I just thought it was interesting. What is the infatuation that some people have in degrading and dismissing Rick Hahn as the GM. It doesn't matter if KW had a hand in this, or any trade. I am sure Reinsdorf had to be involved too. Rick sets the table and then KW has to provide a lighter for the candles and Reinsdorf lights them. It's a team effort folks. That's how successful organizations run. That's how big business decisions get made. Give these people some credit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I like this trade. Puts a solid bat w Abreu although I wish it was a lefty. But a 25+ HR guy you take any time. He also can play 1st and is pretty good defensively there. At third , like Lawrie he is mediocre. Now Hahn needs a 3/4 starter and a OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:38 PM) Right now, the Dodgers are projecting Thompson to platoon with Pederson in CF, Micah with Kiki Hernandez at 2B and Montas in the pen/AAA/or packaged for a frontline starting pitcher. That means Van Slyke and Ethier/Crawford (best deal available to Friedman) are likely gone. At least one of those three. Since they just went to the trouble of trying to project an image of solidarity between Puig and Kershaw down in Cuba, it's either they are set to keep Puig and repair the off-season PR damage/not sell low or the greatest con game in history. http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/i...trade-with-reds I don't see a chance in hell them platooning Pederson with Trayce. That would be hilariously stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Late to the party here, but want to be on record for future reference. 1. Trade makes sense if you are one player away from "going places." I think Sox are like 4-5 players away. 2. I don't think Lawrie can play second. Just my opinion, hopefully I am wrong. 3. Sox add yet another guy who can't draw a walk. What new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:47 PM) Late to the party here, but want to be on record for future reference. 1. Trade makes sense if you are one player away from "going places." I think Sox are like 4-5 players away. 2. I don't think Lawrie can play second. Just my opinion, hopefully I am wrong. 3. Sox add yet another guy who can't draw a walk. What new? He played second at times for Oakland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (SCCWS @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:40 PM) I like this trade. Puts a solid bat w Abreu although I wish it was a lefty. But a 25+ HR guy you take any time. He also can play 1st and is pretty good defensively there. At third , like Lawrie he is mediocre. Now Hahn needs a 3/4 starter and a OF. Frazier is not mediocre at 3B defensively, he's very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:47 PM) Late to the party here, but want to be on record for future reference. 1. Trade makes sense if you are one player away from "going places." I think Sox are like 4-5 players away. 2. I don't think Lawrie can play second. Just my opinion, hopefully I am wrong. 3. Sox add yet another guy who can't draw a walk. What new? 4-5 players? We didn't lose 100 games this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I know Lawrie did play second. He started his career at 2B. If he could play it well, why would you move him to 3B? He looks so muscle bound and stiff throwing the ball, I'd like to see him on the pivot at 2B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:54 PM) 4-5 players? We didn't lose 100 games this year. Yeah, this idea we need a flawless team in order to compete is beyond stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:54 PM) 4-5 players? We didn't lose 100 games this year. Just look at the WAR numbers and figure out how you're going to get to a decent cumulative number compared to what they had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRL Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:56 PM) I know Lawrie did play second. He started his career at 2B. If he could play it well, why would you move him to 3B? He looks so muscle bound and stiff throwing the ball, I'd like to see him on the pivot at 2B. Statistically speaking he actually plays it quite well. Kept moving between 2nd and 3rd because of team needs for A's and Jays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 It's a team you can hope plays well, but let's not pat ourselves on the back too much either. Hope for the best, and pray they don't suck in April and May. That's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 The C platoon improves that spot. We've upgrade 3B and 2b quite a bit. If they add a good OF this offseason has been excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Lawrie's stats at second look terrible, but the sample size is so small I wouldn't put much weight on it. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...ion=3B#fielding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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