caulfield12 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/trade-central-6/ Made me laugh....describing Frazier as a "hero" in Cincy. Detailed trade/prospect analysis from BA. They're not very high on Montas holding up as a starter, either. Some interesting stuff on Thompson's offensive surge as well. What are the DRS numbers the past 2-3 seasons from Frazier??? Edited December 17, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I've seen lots of "never watching the Reds again" comments on Twitter from this trade... They must've really liked Frazier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:00 AM) I feel like I just jumped into a time machine Welcome to Soxtalk! QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:07 AM) I've seen lots of "never watching the Reds again" comments on Twitter from this trade... They must've really liked Frazier. hometown kid, homegrown kid, little league WS hero, HR derby winner. They absolutely loved him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 09:07 AM) I've seen lots of "never watching the Reds again" comments on Twitter from this trade... They must've really liked Frazier. Did you watch the home run derby? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3GamesToLove Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:08 AM) hometown kid, homegrown kid, little league WS hero, HR derby winner. They absolutely loved him Uh. Born in Jersey, grew up in Jersey, played college ball in Jersey (Rutgers.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:08 AM) hometown kid, homegrown kid, little league WS hero, HR derby winner. They absolutely loved him QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:11 AM) Did you watch the home run derby? From Jersey, but yes, I know they loved him, but saying that they'll never watch their team again seems extreme to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I know this has been posted and buried deep into this thread, but I still think the story of Frazier saving a life is pretty cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:21 AM) Ugh. This just hurts. There is a difference between being worth something on paper, and actually having the cash in hand to do it. Except in divorce court. Seriously, on another note, after looking at the prospects the Reds got, I don't see why they didn't deal directly with White Sox; the package we gave up to LA looks better than the package Dodgers gave up. Edited December 17, 2015 by oldsox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:15 AM) Uh. Born in Jersey, grew up in Jersey, played college ball in Jersey (Rutgers.) thats what i get for listenign to ESPN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:17 AM) From Jersey, but yes, I know they loved him, but saying that they'll never watch their team again seems extreme to me. That is just the same talk that a few from every team's fanbase feels necessary when they are disgruntled. I'm willing to bet they watch the Reds opening day. Edited December 17, 2015 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Really liked this trade until I heard his walk up music is Frank Sinatra. Does Hahn even know what he's doing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asindc Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:29 PM) Is this a Rick Hahn or KW production, or do we have to see how they perform to determine? I approve of this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:27 AM) That is just the same talk that a few from every team's fanbase feels necessary when they are disgruntled. I'm willing to bet they watch the Reds opening day. I understand and agree. I'm just surprised by the sheer amount of people who were saying they were done with the team. It wasn't just one or two, it was practically every reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:35 AM) I understand and agree. I'm just surprised by the sheer amount of people who were saying they were done with the team. It wasn't just one or two, it was practically every reply. They were bad, and are now worse. Their team is hopeless for the foreseeable future. Except for MPWs (mediocre prospect worshippers) their team isn't going to appeal to people not related to the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:30 AM) Really liked this trade until I heard his walk up music is Frank Sinatra. Does Hahn even know what he's doing! As long as he makes it My Kind of Town, I can deal with it. QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:35 AM) I understand and agree. I'm just surprised by the sheer amount of people who were saying they were done with the team. It wasn't just one or two, it was practically every reply. They ADORED him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:27 AM) That is just the same talk that a few from every team's fanbase feels necessary when they are disgruntled. I'm willing to bet they watch the Reds opening day. And tune out the next day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I actually have a surprising amount of reds fan friends and they are sad, but I wouldn't quite say upset. They know what's going on. But yeah, Frazier winning the HR derby in front of the home crowd was a Cincinnati Moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 07:21 AM) You're missing my point....they can go in the red for a season or two without catching too much flack from the investors considering the ROI since purchase. I understand that the franchise's book value isn't a liquid asset, nor is any other business' value....but if that potential value is secure enough (can't get more secure than an MLB franchise), you'll never have an issue finding cash in any number of ways. Please never be a position to make financial decisions for any company that I may have money invested in. You said they could literally have a $500 million payroll this year and still be okay. Where does this money come from? Do you think JR has a piggy bank that he keeps his fortune in? If Forbes is to be believed the franchise typically does profite but the profit margins are pretty slim. I can't imagine they have a stockpile of cash on hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) Frazier on Hot Stove...actually this is Hahn. https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/677515071761702912 Edited December 17, 2015 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 09:58 AM) Frazier on Hot Stove...actually this is Hahn. https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/677515071761702912 That was much better than the Score interview, good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Listened to Frazier yesterday and today. He seems really cool and should be good for this lineup, defense and clubhouse. Can't wait to see him play. I'm going to say it again. I'll give a round of applause for turning an injury plagued Peavy into Avi (whether he pans out remains to be seen), JBW, Montas and Rondon. Which then turned into Lawrie and Frazier. Good job by the front office because no one really paid attention to those guys minus Avi. I read a lot about Rondon and Montas. Even Wendelken (if that's how it's spelled). I even went and seen Rondon play in the minors. My hope is he turns into a helluva utility infielder. But to turn Montas and JB into those guys, one of which is an All-Star is pretty good. I'll bash these guys when they deserve it because they're in the paid to get it right business, but I'll also give them praise when they deserve it. So good job guys. Hope things turn out well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 11:10 AM) Listened to Frazier yesterday and today. He seems really cool and should be good for this lineup, defense and clubhouse. Can't wait to see him play. I'm going to say it again. I'll give a round of applause for turning an injury plagued Peavy into Avi (whether he pans out remains to be seen), JBW, Montas and Rondon. Which then turned into Lawrie and Frazier. Good job by the front office because no one really paid attention to those guys minus Avi. I read a lot about Rondon and Montas. Even Wendelken (if that's how it's spelled). I even went and seen Rondon play in the minors. My hope is he turns into a helluva utility infielder. But to turn Montas and JB into those guys, one of which is an All-Star is pretty good. I'll bash these guys when they deserve it because they're in the paid to get it right business, but I'll also give them praise when they deserve it. So good job guys. Hope things turn out well. Not to mention the fact that they also saved nearly $20 million in payroll by making the trade which left room in the 2014 budget to sign Abreu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Frazier's pretty bad second half has me concerned, but he did the same thing in 2014 and still had a good first half in 2015. I just want a guy who can hit 30 home runs and get on at a .330 clip at third. I think more likely than not, Frazier can deliver that for the next two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 02:16 PM) Frazier's pretty bad second half has me concerned, but he did the same thing in 2014 and still had a good first half in 2015. I just want a guy who can hit 30 home runs and get on at a .330 clip at third. I think more likely than not, Frazier can deliver that for the next two years. His career OBP is under .330 and last year it was .309. It is the one thing I don't like about Frazier (all of the other pluses outweigh this negative though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 04:19 PM) His career OBP is under .330 and last year it was .309. It is the one thing I don't like about Frazier (all of the other pluses outweigh this negative though). Even with that in mind, he posted a .342 wOBA and a +4 WAR. Unless something catastrophic happens, he should post something close to 3 WAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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