BlackSox13 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 07:47 PM) Lets say the Sox sign Upton and put him in RF. They can't move LaRoach or Avi. Who would you rather see DH? Am I crazy to give Garcia most of the AB's at DH? Use LaRoche against tough right handed that maybe Avi has had troubles with and Avi for the balance and left handed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I'm good with Upton or Gordon honestly, I think they both got well with this team. Scary thought to put Melky in RF, but atleast LF could get upgraded D with either player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 07:50 PM) I doubt it to be honest. Kim's contract is cheap plus Kim can play not LF and 1B so the O's still have a hole to fill either way. If they intend on using Kim at 1B it probably means the O's are even more "in" for one of the FA outfielders. Imo, I think they go after Gordon's left handed bat. I'm pretty sure kim is playing outfield. Orioles are still sorta waiting on davis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 07:51 PM) Well they also have Trumbo. This is true and as of right now, Trumbo has to be the 1B which puts Kim in LF with Jones in CF and a hole in RF. I don't think the O's are going to count on their other outfielders too much and they still have the money they pulled from the table on Davis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 07:59 PM) I'm pretty sure kim is playing outfield. Orioles are still sorta waiting on davis If they were waiting on Davis they wouldn't have publically pulled their 150M offer. Could be PR stuff but with Boras for an agent I'd guess the O's aren't happy and are looking elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (soxsider11 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 04:55 PM) What about adding span to play CF? I would honestly like span and upton with eaton sliding over. Defense is upgraded and adding two solid OBP to this team would really help I really like the idea of adding Span to play CF moving Eaton to RF and getting one of the LFers on the market, the let Saladino play SS. This offense looks really good. projects for 19WAR from steamer with an additional 1.6 coming from the bench while still missing one more utility infielder / 4th outfielder. Also there is a fair bit of upside in Span, Abreu, Eaton. Lawrie offers real potential as well. Avila's appears high but if hes healthy with our staff i can see it being a reality and if Saladino plays a competent SS with a .700 OPS after his second go around hes a complete wildcard in terms of value. Having Frazier and Lawrie for the next two years also gives the sox a nice window to go after a depressed central division and the wildcard if after '17 it isn't working you can still move Sale, Q, Abreu, Eaton and Robertson for a rebuild/reload in addition to likely picking up a pick for frazier and possibly lawrie (if thats still a thing in the cba). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 05:47 PM) Lets say the Sox sign Upton and put him in RF. They can't move LaRoach or Avi. Who would you rather see DH? Am I crazy to give Garcia most of the AB's at DH? Send Avi down & bring him up in case of an injury. He still has an option. Not totally locked in with him on the 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Dan Hayes: Don't think #WhiteSox will wind up w/ high-profile FA. Won't rule anything out. But they prefer trade or FA w/o draft pick attached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 10:25 PM) Dan Hayes: Don't think #WhiteSox will wind up w/ high-profile FA. Won't rule anything out. But they prefer trade or FA w/o draft pick attached. Him and Merkin have been saying that for 2 weeks now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 10:25 PM) Dan Hayes: Don't think #WhiteSox will wind up w/ high-profile FA. Won't rule anything out. But they prefer trade or FA w/o draft pick attached. I like Dan...but so far he's been a little bit off with what's going on. He forgot Cespedes(he corrected himself later) doesnt have a QO offer attached. Plus I told him Rick Hahn said in an interview I believe it was on MLB Radio that he was talking to free agents with draft picks attached. Nightengale said they were discussing OFers like Upton. Even Merkin is kind of changing his tune on this. I dont think they really know what's going on. Edited December 17, 2015 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 10:25 PM) Dan Hayes: Don't think #WhiteSox will wind up w/ high-profile FA. Won't rule anything out. But they prefer trade or FA w/o draft pick attached. So Cespedes or Gonzalez, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) The only worthwhile FA OF bats that come with no comp pick are Cespedes and Parra. Could be the Sox pumping PR nonsense but they have come across as being reluctant to give a comp pick so I think Hayes just might be right. Would love to know who the Sox are seriously looking into on the trade front. I'm sure they have their eyes on more than just the Rockies outfielders. Edited December 17, 2015 by BlackSox13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (JRL @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 07:49 PM) Oh god. neither, but if it were the case that we kept both Avi and Laroche, it would have to be a platoon with Laroche playing vs righties and Avi vs lefties. I hope to god were not in that situation... Why not? Avi had a .760 OPS against LHP, and LaRoche even with his awfulness was at ~.700 OPS against RHP. Even if there's no improvement from this season (and I would expect some from LaRoche, at least against RHP), that wouldn't be that bad production from the DH spot, certainly a lot better than this year. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a ~.750 OPS from that platoon, which is still below average from the DH position, but we could live with it. Edited December 17, 2015 by OmarComing25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 05:27 AM) I like Dan...but so far he's been a little bit off with what's going on. He forgot Cespedes(he corrected himself later) doesnt have a QO offer attached. Plus I told him Rick Hahn said in an interview I believe it was on MLB Radio that he was talking to free agents with draft picks attached. Nightengale said they were discussing OFers like Upton. Even Merkin is kind of changing his tune on this. I dont think they really know what's going on. interesting reading... my only question is why do you think this is happening???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Hayes told me he thought Todd Frazier was "cost prohibitive" 6 days ago. He's a cool dude & I like that he interacts with people but I don't think he's has much of a clue what's going on within the organization. I'll trust Nightengale at this point & guys like Levine, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 05:44 AM) Hayes told me he thought Todd Frazier was "cost prohibitive" 6 days ago. He's a cool dude & I like that he interacts with people but I don't think he's has much of a clue what's going on within the organization. I'll trust Nightengale at this point & guys like Levine, etc. He kept saying it was Anderson plus more. Merkin seemed more confident, even posting a random Frazier story a few days ago from a few years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 As a cheaper alternative I like Denard Span Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 It entirely depends on money. If we are talking something like 5 yrs/$110M on Upton, and 6 yrs/$160M on Cespedes, then go Upton. But if it's more like 5 yrs/$130M on Upton and 6 yrs/$150M on Cespedes, then go Cespedes. Cespedes is better, but will cost more. Upton is cheaper, but will cost a draft pick. It's a seriously tough choice, but I'm going Cespedes for his defense/speed AND huge power. Upton is not a good defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 10:53 PM) It entirely depends on money. If we are talking something like 5 yrs/$110M on Upton, and 6 yrs/$160M on Cespedes, then go Upton. But if it's more like 5 yrs/$130M on Upton and 6 yrs/$150M on Cespedes, then go Cespedes. Cespedes is better, but will cost more. Upton is cheaper, but will cost a draft pick. It's a seriously tough choice, but I'm going Cespedes for his defense/speed AND huge power. Upton is not a good defender. I'm pretty sure Upton grades out better than Cespedes defensively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:48 PM) He kept saying it was Anderson plus more. Merkin seemed more confident, even posting a random Frazier story a few days ago from a few years ago Yup... I simply don't really take what he says for much right now. Nothing against him at all, I just don't think he's very dialed in right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 10:54 PM) I'm pretty sure Upton grades out better than Cespedes defensively Nope. Last 3 years of DRS in LF.... Upton 2013 - 839 innings, -8 DRS, -14 DRS per 162 games 2014 - 1319 innings, 0 DRS, 0 DRS per 162 games 2015 - 1260 innings, 8 DRS, 9 DRS per 162 games Cespedes 2013 - 801 innings, 4 DRS, 7 DRS per 162 games 2014 - 1090 innings, 12 DRS, 16 DRS per 162 games 2015 - 1022 innings, 15 DRS, 22 DRS per 162 games Upton has been worth exactly 0 runs saved over the last 3 years. Cespedes has been worth 31 runs. It's really not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 10:27 PM) I like Dan...but so far he's been a little bit off with what's going on. He forgot Cespedes(he corrected himself later) doesnt have a QO offer attached. Plus I told him Rick Hahn said in an interview I believe it was on MLB Radio that he was talking to free agents with draft picks attached. Nightengale said they were discussing OFers like Upton. Even Merkin is kind of changing his tune on this. I dont think they really know what's going on. Or he is just writing what his bosses are asking him to write. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 11:17 PM) Or he is just writing what his bosses are asking him to write. I dont doubt that. But the information they are giving out seems to be a little iffy. But atleast Dan replies to people asking questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I think I'm leaning towards Cespedes. Sign him keep our early three draft picks. Resign Alexi, sign Maeda (it's Christmas I can hope), a few small bench moves/bullpen moves and call it an offseason. Maeda is not going to happen but another solid pitcher, along with Alexi or another SS and we are golden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) Cespedes has not played any right field in the Big Leagues. If he is truly a better outfielder, even at that spot, then he's my choice. We know what Upton can do there, as that has been his regular position. I don't like the idea of either Melky or Eaton in RF, because their arms aren't suited for right field. That means Cespedes would likely be in right field. If the Sox could move Melky to DH, and use Cespedes in LF with Eaton in Center and Avi in Right, that would work. But of course, that would be contingent upon moving La Roche. Cespedes has the advantage of having played in the A.L., where he knows the pitchers and has a track record of success. With Upton, that is still a question. I'd love to see a recent study of how various players have faired, when switching Leagues. Some of us are a little skeptical, after the disappointing experience of our two Adams from Washington. Frazier's Inter-League stats don't provide much reassurance, and it would be catastrophic to discover that our new "saviors" at the hot corner and right field, can't perform up to their career standards, in the A. L. Adding another Cuban would be nice, especially if Alexei is not brought back. I get the sense that Abreu enjoys having his fellow countrymen on the team. Then there is the fan appeal, which I suspect greatly favors Yoenis. He's an exciting player, and the type who can put fans in the seats, which can't hurt, especially with all the hype we'll have to endure from the other side of town. Not having to give up the draft pick is another plus, and it would be quite a remarkable achievement for the front office to have been able to fill all of the holes, without giving up a single pick, or any of our top prospects. That would indeed be quite laudable, if they can pull it off. Although it was the N. L., you have to be impressed with how Cespedes went to the Big Apple, and seemed to put that team on his shoulders and carry them to the Post Season. The Sox could use some of that swagger. Well, I guess that I talked myself into choosing "El Talento". Vamos, Hahn. Por favor. Edited December 17, 2015 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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