What is the Sox fall back OF plan ?

[caulfield12]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/mlb/...tomas/77761210/

 

Interesting take from DBacks' side on the loss of Inciarte and the pressure now on Y.Tomas to produce like he's being paid

 

 

 

This season, Inciarte was a pesky, effective leadoff hitter and a dominant defender. Tomas was a light-hitting, low-on-base, high swing-and-miss guy who was a liability defensively. Inciarte also provided value on the bases. All that was evident both in basic stats and in the eye test. Advanced metrics help provide context of just how big a difference there was between the two. Not much heavy lifting is required offensively: Inciarte’s OPS was 40 points higher, and FanGraphs rated his baserunning at 3.0 runs above average; Tomas came in at -0.7.

 

The defensive difference was even more dramatic. Inciarte was one of the better corner outfielders in all of baseball. His 29 defensive runs saved (DRS) were, according to FanGraphs, the second highest among all major league outfielders. Tomas registered -8 DRS, doing so in only 494 2/3 innings. Extrapolate that out to a full season in the outfield and he would have ranked among the two or three worst outfielders in the majors. Add it all up and you get a player’s wins above replacement. Inciarte was a 3.3-win player, per FanGraphs, while Tomas was worth -1.3 wins.

Edited December 23, 2015 by caulfield12

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Thanks for the numbers...I wouldn't touch that either, too many years to start with...

 

It's actually just 2 years 2016 and 2017. Free agent 2018 although I'm not sure what this means in 2018 : $13M Vesting Option $5m team option if vesting terms not met. Maybe means a 5M dollar buyout for 2018.

 

So it's just 2 years for 2 years when it comes down to it and the money is basically equal (Danks 15.75 + LaRoche 13 =28.75M vs. 2 years of Garza for 25 and 5M buyout ? (seems high for a buyout) =30M. It reduces the Sox roster by one DH with a team full of DH's in waiting (Melky, Abreu, Avi) It frees up the salary by about $15M this year and adds more to next year and the buyout money the year after and balances the rotation a bit. The worry is can Garza bounce back or is Danks that much better ?

 

I think the savings this year and the open roster spot isn't too bad of a deal. Garza has had arm problems in the past and was on the DL last year with shoulder tendinitis.

 

Of course the Sox can eat LaRoche's contract or find a taker and pay most of it. Cleveland dumped Chris Johnson and his $17M contract. I am not buying a LaRoche bounce back to the point that he still isn't a liability and the roster could use the flexibility to add a more athletic player .Just too many DH's on the team for the Sox to keep a pretty one dimensional guy like LaRoche. Easiest solution is just eat LaRoche contract instead of worrying about Garza's arm falling off in the next few years or spending significant time on the DL. At least Danks goes out there every 5th day.

[lasttriptotulsa]

It's actually just 2 years 2016 and 2017. Free agent 2018 although I'm not sure what this means in 2018 : $13M Vesting Option $5m team option if vesting terms not met. Maybe means a 5M dollar buyout for 2018.

 

So it's just 2 years for 2 years when it comes down to it and the money is basically equal (Danks 15.75 + LaRoche 13 =28.75M vs. 2 years of Garza for 25 and 5M buyout ? (seems high for a buyout) =30M. It reduces the Sox roster by one DH with a team full of DH's in waiting (Melky, Abreu, Avi) It frees up the salary by about $15M this year and adds more to next year and the buyout money the year after and balances the rotation a bit. The worry is can Garza bounce back or is Danks that much better ?

 

I think the savings this year and the open roster spot isn't too bad of a deal. Garza has had arm problems in the past and was on the DL last year with shoulder tendinitis.

 

Of course the Sox can eat LaRoche's contract or find a taker and pay most of it. Cleveland dumped Chris Johnson and his $17M contract. I am not buying a LaRoche bounce back to the point that he still isn't a liability and the roster could use the flexibility to add a more athletic player .Just too many DH's on the team for the Sox to keep a pretty one dimensional guy like LaRoche. Easiest solution is just eat LaRoche contract instead of worrying about Garza's arm falling off in the next few years or spending significant time on the DL. At least Danks goes out there every 5th day.

 

Here are the terms of Garza's deal

 

2016, 2017 - $12.5 million per ($2 million deferred due annually on 12/15 between 2018 and 2021

2018 - $13 million vesting option (must make 110 starts between 2014 and 2017, throw 115 IP in 2017 and not be on the DL at the end of 2017)

2018 - $5 million team option (if he doesn't meet the requirements for the vesting option the team holds a $5 million option, there is no buyout)

2018 - $1 million team option (if he spends more than 130 days on the DL in a 183 day window)

Bonus - $.5 million each year he makes 30 starts and throws 190 IP

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Here are the terms of Garza's deal

 

2016, 2017 - $12.5 million per ($2 million deferred due annually on 12/15 between 2018 and 2021

2018 - $13 million vesting option (must make 110 starts between 2014 and 2017, throw 115 IP in 2017 and not be on the DL at the end of 2017)

2018 - $5 million team option (if he doesn't meet the requirements for the vesting option the team holds a $5 million option, there is no buyout)

2018 - $1 million team option (if he spends more than 130 days on the DL in a 183 day window)

Bonus - $.5 million each year he makes 30 starts and throws 190 IP

 

Ok so what does all that mean ? He's made 52 starts in 2 years with 2 years left so he probably doesn't reach 110 starts so he becomes a free agent if any one of those 3 requirements are not met right ? Or does that mean if the holder of the contract wants he can be either a free agent or resigned for 2018 for $5M at the team's digression?

[BlackSox13]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/mlb/...tomas/77761210/

 

Interesting take from DBacks' side on the loss of Inciarte and the pressure now on Y.Tomas to produce like he's being paid

 

 

 

This season, Inciarte was a pesky, effective leadoff hitter and a dominant defender. Tomas was a light-hitting, low-on-base, high swing-and-miss guy who was a liability defensively. Inciarte also provided value on the bases. All that was evident both in basic stats and in the eye test. Advanced metrics help provide context of just how big a difference there was between the two. Not much heavy lifting is required offensively: Inciarte’s OPS was 40 points higher, and FanGraphs rated his baserunning at 3.0 runs above average; Tomas came in at -0.7.

 

The defensive difference was even more dramatic. Inciarte was one of the better corner outfielders in all of baseball. His 29 defensive runs saved (DRS) were, according to FanGraphs, the second highest among all major league outfielders. Tomas registered -8 DRS, doing so in only 494 2/3 innings. Extrapolate that out to a full season in the outfield and he would have ranked among the two or three worst outfielders in the majors. Add it all up and you get a player’s wins above replacement. Inciarte was a 3.3-win player, per FanGraphs, while Tomas was worth -1.3 wins.

It would seem from a Diamondbacks perspective that due to the contract of Tomas he was going to be a hard sell in a trade so AZ was left no choice but to deal Inciarte who has much more value. Miller is a good pitcher and I get that AZ needed another starter but to give up such a young player with a good bat and elite defense still makes no sense to me considering how spacious their ballpark is. Imo, it won't take long for AZ to regret trading Inciarte. If it were me, I would have offered some money to go with Tomas in a trade and kept Inciarte. Stewart got hosed in that trade for Miller.

[caulfield12]

Except Atlanta had no desire for Tomas at all...they're talking about moving Hector Olivera, their own Cuban acquired from LA, to LF.

[BlackSox13]

Except Atlanta had no desire for Tomas at all...they're talking about moving Hector Olivera, their own Cuban acquired from LA, to LF.

I would have forgotten about Miller and searched for a trade involving Tomas and then looked into signing Leake who was willing to sign with AZ. I think it comes down to Stewart setting his sights on Miller and nothing was going to stop him. We've seen this before.

[lasttriptotulsa]

Ok so what does all that mean ? He's made 52 starts in 2 years with 2 years left so he probably doesn't reach 110 starts so he becomes a free agent if any one of those 3 requirements are not met right ? Or does that mean if the holder of the contract wants he can be either a free agent or resigned for 2018 for $5M at the team's digression?

 

If he meets all three of the requirements the options vests and he plays in 2018 for $13 million.

 

If he doesn't meet the requirements, the Brewers hold a team option for 2018 at $5 million. If they decide not to pick up the option he becomes a free agent. There is no buyout attached to the option so they would owe him nothing for 2018.

 

If he spends 130 days on the DL, the option does not vest and the Brewers then hold a team option at $1 million. Again if they decline he becomes a free agent and they owe him nothing for 2018.

[blackmooncreeping]

If he meets all three of the requirements the options vests and he plays in 2018 for $13 million.

 

If he doesn't meet the requirements, the Brewers hold a team option for 2018 at $5 million. If they decide not to pick up the option he becomes a free agent. There is no buyout attached to the option so they would owe him nothing for 2018.

 

If he spends 130 days on the DL, the option does not vest and the Brewers then hold a team option at $1 million. Again if they decline he becomes a free agent and they owe him nothing for 2018.

Thanks for the numbers crunching on Garza's contract, it doesn't seem as much of an albatross as previously thought. So what scenario would you rather push your chips in on? The possibility of a Laroche bounce back in 2016, or a Garza bounce back in 2016? If the overall money is actually that close on a potential Danks/Laroche for Garza trade, is it worth taking a chance on Garza rebounding to a .500 pitcher with Coop's help in order to opening up the dh role? All predicated on singing one of the big 3 outfielders, of course...

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Thanks for the numbers crunching on Garza's contract, it doesn't seem as much of an albatross as previously thought. So what scenario would you rather push your chips in on? The possibility of a Laroche bounce back in 2016, or a Garza bounce back in 2016? If the overall money is actually that close on a potential Danks/Laroche for Garza trade, is it worth taking a chance on Garza rebounding to a .500 pitcher with Coop's help in order to opening up the dh role? All predicated on singing one of the big 3 outfielders, of course...

 

Ha wait I crunched the numbers I just needed clarification on how a vesting option works, So now it's 1 year of Danks and 1 one of LaRoche is $28.75M and 2 years of Garza is $25M. It's highly doubtful he accomplishes what's needed to extend his contract to 2018 since he's already behind on the number of games he would need to start for the contract to vest.

 

To make it worth while for the Brewers ( if the Sox found this move attractive) they could throw some cash the Brewers way, maybe $7M ( give them $3.5 M for 2 years )which would be basically half of LaRoche salary. So it would be like trading $32M for 28.75 million , gets LaRoche and Danks off the roster this year and frees up money this year and opens a roster spot. Makes Garza the 5th starter instead of Danks which actually sounds terrifying.

 

Sign Gordon or Cespedes to play LF/RF , move Melky to DH . Trade or send Avi to the minors. He has no place on the team even as a platoon DH since that would make him a 4th OF and 4th OFers should be good defensively. Explore trades for good defensive young guys who can play RF/CF (Jackie Bradley Jr, Inciarte etc.) Hey Trayce Thompson get him back . Maybe the Dodgers take Avi for him . Get some starting pitching depth and see what Matt Albers would take to resign. Sorry Jacob Turner and Kahnle just don't do it for me. End of off season . Playoffs here we come. Payroll goes to hell if I know after all these moves and pretend moves. But it is creative since that's what Hahn keeps saying he needs to be financially.

[LDF]

 

what gets me is this, we as fans still hasn't heard much from org like balt, tor, hou, sea, and even the padres and gaints...... those are the big guns / with the money.

[BlackSox13]

what gets me is this, we as fans still hasn't heard much from org like balt, tor, hou, sea, and even the padres and gaints...... those are the big guns / with the money.

Seattle: they are at about 142M for committed salary and arbitration players and that number doesn't include filling out the rest of the roster with league minimum players. Seattle needs a CF so they are likely looking the likes of Span, Jackson, Fowler and maybe even Parra if they can afford them.

 

Padres: they are rebuilding so they are no threat. Heck, they are trying to trade salary (Kemp/Shields) so we can cross them off.

 

SF: they are at 164M in committed salary and arbitration players and that doesn't include filling out their roster. If they look at signing a FA its likely one of the second tier players.

 

TOR: they are at about 132M for committed and arbitration players not including filling out their roster. Interesting team in that they would seem to have some wiggle room but their OF is full up. Not sure what to think about TOR.

 

Houston: they have plenty of money but they have plenty of outfielders as it is. I'm guessing they go after another starting pitcher and reliever. Curious team no doubt.

 

Baltimore: yep, they got money to burn and surely will. Especially since their recent signee Kim can play LF or 1B. Kim allows Baltimore flexibility with signing either Davis for 1B/DH or one of the big three outfielders. Im guessing they end up with either Cespedes or Upton.

 

As far as I can tell, the biggest players for Upton/Cespedes/Gordon are the Sox, Orio!es and the Cards. Most of the other teams are either rebuilding or pushing their payroll limitations so there is a handful of teams that could come into play like Houston, Toronto, Cleveland, Detroit and the Cubs if the prices drop enough.

 

If I missed something please point it out but I think I covered it.

 

One team to watch is the Orioles. They are sitting around 100-102M with committed salary and arbitration players. This doesn't include filling out their roster but the Orioles have plenty of money to burn. Wouldn't surprise me if they sign one of the big three and one of the second tier outfielders.

[LDF]

Seattle: they are at about 142M for committed salary and arbitration players and that number doesn't include filling out the rest of the roster with league minimum players. Seattle needs a CF so they are likely looking the likes of Span, Jackson, Fowler and maybe even Parra if they can afford them.

 

Padres: they are rebuilding so they are no threat. Heck, they are trying to trade salary (Kemp/Shields) so we can cross them off.

 

SF: they are at 164M in committed salary and arbitration players and that doesn't include filling out their roster. If they look at signing a FA its likely one of the second tier players.

 

TOR: they are at about 132M for committed and arbitration players not including filling out their roster. Interesting team in that they would seem to have some wiggle room but their OF is full up. Not sure what to think about TOR.

 

Houston: they have plenty of money but they have plenty of outfielders as it is. I'm guessing they go after another starting pitcher and reliever. Curious team no doubt.

 

Baltimore: yep, they got money to burn and surely will. Especially since their recent signee Kim can play LF or 1B. Kim allows Baltimore flexibility with signing either Davis for 1B/DH or one of the big three outfielders. Im guessing they end up with either Cespedes or Upton.

 

As far as I can tell, the biggest players for Upton/Cespedes/Gordon are the Sox, Orio!es and the Cards. Most of the other teams are either rebuilding or pushing their payroll limitations so there is a handful of teams that could come into play like Houston, Toronto, Cleveland, Detroit and the Cubs if the prices drop enough.

 

If I missed something please point it out but I think I covered it.

 

One team to watch is the Orioles. They are sitting around 100-102M with committed salary and arbitration players. This doesn't include filling out their roster but the Orioles have plenty of money to burn. Wouldn't surprise me if they sign one of the big three and one of the second tier outfielders.

 

excellent break down..... you are on a roll this past couple of day....

 

great work.

[Lillian]

Very impressive, "BlackSox". You certainly seem to know a lot about other organizations. Your research is appreciated, as it adds valuable insight.

Thanks

[SCCWS]

Seattle: they are at about 142M for committed salary and arbitration players and that number doesn't include filling out the rest of the roster with league minimum players. Seattle needs a CF so they are likely looking the likes of Span, Jackson, Fowler and maybe even Parra if they can afford them.

 

Padres: they are rebuilding so they are no threat. Heck, they are trying to trade salary (Kemp/Shields) so we can cross them off.

 

SF: they are at 164M in committed salary and arbitration players and that doesn't include filling out their roster. If they look at signing a FA its likely one of the second tier players.

 

TOR: they are at about 132M for committed and arbitration players not including filling out their roster. Interesting team in that they would seem to have some wiggle room but their OF is full up. Not sure what to think about TOR.

 

Houston: they have plenty of money but they have plenty of outfielders as it is. I'm guessing they go after another starting pitcher and reliever. Curious team no doubt.

 

Baltimore: yep, they got money to burn and surely will. Especially since their recent signee Kim can play LF or 1B. Kim allows Baltimore flexibility with signing either Davis for 1B/DH or one of the big three outfielders. Im guessing they end up with either Cespedes or Upton.

 

As far as I can tell, the biggest players for Upton/Cespedes/Gordon are the Sox, Orio!es and the Cards. Most of the other teams are either rebuilding or pushing their payroll limitations so there is a handful of teams that could come into play like Houston, Toronto, Cleveland, Detroit and the Cubs if the prices drop enough.

 

If I missed something please point it out but I think I covered it.

 

One team to watch is the Orioles. They are sitting around 100-102M with committed salary and arbitration players. This doesn't include filling out their roster but the Orioles have plenty of money to burn. Wouldn't surprise me if they sign one of the big three and one of the second tier outfielders.

 

Boston. They only have 3 legit outfielders on their 40 man. Now since they have extra catchers and infielders they will either trade for a veteran OF or sign a FA. Money for them is no issue.

 

[caulfield12]

Betts, Castillo, Bradley, Jr., and then what to do with Hanley?

1b probably.

 

Detroit's still going to be a player here, imo. And don't discount the Angels and Royals if the price drops...

 

Houston has too many outfielders already, they were willing to deal Domingo Santana but they seem pretty well set with their younger core guys and unlikely to spend huge dollars.

 

The Cardinals after Leake can really only go after Gordon.

 

That still creates a situation where you have the Red Sox, Angels, Tigers and Orioles who could take runs at Cespedes and Upton, and the White Sox, Cards and Royals for Gordon.

 

I can't imagine the Cubs unless they were willing to move Schwarber to RF and that just feels like way too much spending for one offseason already with their debt load.

 

 

[Y2Jimmy0]

Betts, Castillo, Bradley, Jr., and then what to do with Hanley?

1b probably.

 

Detroit's still going to be a player here, imo. And don't discount the Angels and Royals if the price drops...

 

Houston has too many outfielders already, they were willing to deal Domingo Santana but they seem pretty well set with their younger core guys and unlikely to spend huge dollars.

 

The Cardinals after Leake can really only go after Gordon.

 

That still creates a situation where you have the Red Sox, Angels, Tigers and Orioles who could take runs at Cespedes and Upton, and the White Sox, Cards and Royals for Gordon.

 

I can't imagine the Cubs unless they were willing to move Schwarber to RF and that just feels like way too much spending for one offseason already with their debt load.

 

 

They have Chris Young and Brock Holt in the Of as well

[caulfield12]

They have Chris Young and Brock Holt in the Of as well

 

Seems Young is their fourth and they're willing to take an overpay on Bradley...Castillo needs to re-establish value and Betts is definitely part of the new core there.

Edited December 26, 2015 by caulfield12

[LDF]

Seattle: they are at about 142M for committed salary and arbitration players and that number doesn't include filling out the rest of the roster with league minimum players. Seattle needs a CF so they are likely looking the likes of Span, Jackson, Fowler and maybe even Parra if they can afford them.

 

Padres: they are rebuilding so they are no threat. Heck, they are trying to trade salary (Kemp/Shields) so we can cross them off.

 

SF: they are at 164M in committed salary and arbitration players and that doesn't include filling out their roster. If they look at signing a FA its likely one of the second tier players.

 

TOR: they are at about 132M for committed and arbitration players not including filling out their roster. Interesting team in that they would seem to have some wiggle room but their OF is full up. Not sure what to think about TOR.

 

Houston: they have plenty of money but they have plenty of outfielders as it is. I'm guessing they go after another starting pitcher and reliever. Curious team no doubt.

 

Baltimore: yep, they got money to burn and surely will. Especially since their recent signee Kim can play LF or 1B. Kim allows Baltimore flexibility with signing either Davis for 1B/DH or one of the big three outfielders. Im guessing they end up with either Cespedes or Upton.

 

As far as I can tell, the biggest players for Upton/Cespedes/Gordon are the Sox, Orio!es and the Cards. Most of the other teams are either rebuilding or pushing their payroll limitations so there is a handful of teams that could come into play like Houston, Toronto, Cleveland, Detroit and the Cubs if the prices drop enough.

 

If I missed something please point it out but I think I covered it.

 

One team to watch is the Orioles. They are sitting around 100-102M with committed salary and arbitration players. This doesn't include filling out their roster but the Orioles have plenty of money to burn. Wouldn't surprise me if they sign one of the big three and one of the second tier outfielders.

 

in this post, i just remembered several other teams. i will mention 1 team in particular. Pitt. they are committed and they will need to do something. going into the off season, their press or the press of the sporting community broke them down, before the northside answered with their moves.

 

Pitt needed a another sp, 1b they will also move both walker and marte b/c their prospects are ready to step in.

 

looking back, they did the 1b, 2b trade now, i would pitt move marte and take a chance on 2 rookies in the lineup??? i still see them needing a better sp and if they do move marte, i can see it being done for a young cost control #2 or #3 type of sp. or would they just look into the fa market???

 

i am seeing teams as needing to make moves, just be keep up and to keep being competitive within their division.

 

you know, i really do like this off season. a lot to think about.

[GGajewski18]

in this post, i just remembered several other teams. i will mention 1 team in particular. Pitt. they are committed and they will need to do something. going into the off season, their press or the press of the sporting community broke them down, before the northside answered with their moves.

 

Pitt needed a another sp, 1b they will also move both walker and marte b/c their prospects are ready to step in.

 

looking back, they did the 1b, 2b trade now, i would pitt move marte and take a chance on 2 rookies in the lineup??? i still see them needing a better sp and if they do move marte, i can see it being done for a young cost control #2 or #3 type of sp. or would they just look into the fa market???

 

i am seeing teams as needing to make moves, just be keep up and to keep being competitive within their division.

 

you know, i really do like this off season. a lot to think about.

 

Pirates have Cole, Liriano, Niese, Vogelsong, and Locke in the rotation with Taillon, Kingham, and Glanslow on the cusp of the majors.

 

They have a good prospect in Hanson that will take over for Walker at 2B.

 

There is 0 chance they trade Marte unless it is a massive haul. He is probably the best LFer in the game.

[LDF]

Pirates have Cole, Liriano, Niese, Vogelsong, and Locke in the rotation with Taillon, Kingham, and Glanslow on the cusp of the majors.

 

They have a good prospect in Hanson that will take over for Walker at 2B.

 

There is 0 chance they trade Marte unless it is a massive haul. He is probably the best LFer in the game.

 

and some are saying that they still may need another sp, as a stop gap for the young prospects. in addition, the other teams in the division are positioning themselves to also address their needs.

 

lets look at stl, why would they still be looking for an of'er when they have a young piscotty in the outfield. a player who i like a lot,but stl does not want to put anything to trust or luck.

 

the same thing with pitt sp, they been talking about the prospect who is ready to step in the outfield and use marte to fix, acquire other pieces. now with the cost of fa's, they are looking to extend mccutchen.... i will also be in agreement that if they move marte, it would be a bad move. but pitt, they are limited with salary and need to look at the future and still look at competing.

 

that 0 chance is really not a hard and fast decision .

[caulfield12]

in this post, i just remembered several other teams. i will mention 1 team in particular. Pitt. they are committed and they will need to do something. going into the off season, their press or the press of the sporting community broke them down, before the northside answered with their moves.

 

Pitt needed a another sp, 1b they will also move both walker and marte b/c their prospects are ready to step in.

 

looking back, they did the 1b, 2b trade now, i would pitt move marte and take a chance on 2 rookies in the lineup??? i still see them needing a better sp and if they do move marte, i can see it being done for a young cost control #2 or #3 type of sp. or would they just look into the fa market???

 

i am seeing teams as needing to make moves, just be keep up and to keep being competitive within their division.

 

you know, i really do like this off season. a lot to think about.

 

Why trade Marte, or Polanco for that matter?

 

[BlackSox13]

excellent break down..... you are on a roll this past couple of day....

 

great work.

 

 

Very impressive, "BlackSox". You certainly seem to know a lot about other organizations. Your research is appreciated, as it adds valuable insight.

Thanks

LDF, Lillian. Thank you both very much for your kind words. If you are interested, here are the links to the sites I'm pulling financial info from. One is for teams' committed and retained salaries and the other is speculated 2016 arbitration numbers. I just add the total of money together to get a better idea of what the financials look like. If a team has a total of 18 players between salary commitments and arbitration players, then multiply the remaining 7 players times the league minimum which is 507k, I believe. This is how I did the break down in the 2016 Sox payroll thread I made.

 

Teams' committed/retained salaries: http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/

 

Speculated '16 arbitration: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/proj...s-for-2016.html

 

Hope this helps.

 

Boston. They only have 3 legit outfielders on their 40 man. Now since they have extra catchers and infielders they will either trade for a veteran OF or sign a FA. Money for them is no issue.

Highly doubt Boston. Their current committed/retained salaries for '16 is 176M: http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/boston-red-sox/payroll/

 

Now add in arbitration salaries of about 9M+: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/proj...s-for-2016.html

 

Boston is currently sitting around 185M for 17 players. Now factor in filling out the 25 man roster with 8 league minimum salary players at 507k each which totals just over 4M. Boston is looking at about 189M for the '16 payroll on their current 25 man roster.

 

Fwiw, the MLB payroll cap for teams is 189M and anything over that teams begin paying luxury taxes.

 

If anyone is interested in a breakdown of the Sox, I did do one for them in this thread here: http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=97767

 

[LDF]

Why trade Marte, or Polanco for that matter?

 

well, i would know the whole answer for that.... but i think, if i had to assume, polanco is 23 yrs old, and with his arb yrs sever more yrs away...

 

whereas, marte is 26 yrs old, in the middle of a contract which is, i don't know if one would say is back loaded. these yrs now will see his salary increase. also remember the pirates are on a very strict budget and they do have a team to be taken serious.

 

it is all about the money.

 

look at baseball ref i http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...shtml#contracts

[Y2Jimmy0]

well, i would know the whole answer for that.... but i think, if i had to assume, polanco is 23 yrs old, and with his arb yrs sever more yrs away...

 

whereas, marte is 26 yrs old, in the middle of a contract which is, i don't know if one would say is back loaded. these yrs now will see his salary increase. also remember the pirates are on a very strict budget and they do have a team to be taken serious.

 

it is all about the money.

 

look at baseball ref i http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...shtml#contracts

 

 

Marte isn't being traded. None of the OF's are. Josh Bell is the stud prospect that will be ready but he was moved to 1B. McCutchen, Marte, and Polanco will be in the Pirates OF