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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 08:36 AM)
The #STLCards and the #Rockies discussing a trade that could send an OF to the #Cardinals, per @jonmorosi via @MLBNetwork

 

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ben...6e42fa2746.html

Writer argues for CarGo over Dickerson/Blackmon.

That would take another competitor out of the running for Gordon. Get it done guys.

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QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 11:31 AM)
Whatever happened to Alfredo Despaigne? I swear he defected last year.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Despaigne

 

Apparently he's under contract through 2016 in Japan.

 

I'm also pretty sure he is being allowed to play there under an agreement with the Cuban government...but he can't currently go to an MLB team as things stand.

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 26, 2015 -> 07:17 PM)
Pittsburgh is in a very envious position right now. They have a team in place for '16 to be considered legit contenders. If things go well in their minors this season, the Pirates will be trading veteran salaries to make room for Glasnow/Taillon in the rotation, Bell for 1B, Hanson for 2B and Meadows for CF. Imo, McCutchen will be traded for a haul to help replenish the farm and reduce payroll to give the Pirates more financial flexibility.

 

I really do envy the position the Pirates are in right now. After all these years, they finally have a front office and scouts that know what they are doing. The Pirates will be perennial contenders for the foreseeable future. Good for them.

Nicely said. And what's great is this is the White Sox too, just many on here don't see it yet. Lot of people think we're just kicking the can down the road signing veterans etc, not building from within etc. Bull freaking s***. Our rotation will basically cost under $40M for the next five years. The entire rotation. That's doing something extremely right. Adam Eaton & Abreu are studs. It's working, the farm is looking super solid. And we didn't lose on purpose for 5 years. Everybody needs to quit being mad at the Sox FO & ownership now. Just stop. We're in a super enviable position moving forward- way better than the cubs.

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QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 02:40 AM)
Nicely said. And what's great is this is the White Sox too, just many on here don't see it yet. Lot of people think we're just kicking the can down the road signing veterans etc, not building from within etc. Bull freaking s***. Our rotation will basically cost under $40M for the next five years. The entire rotation. That's doing something extremely right. Adam Eaton & Abreu are studs. It's working, the farm is looking super solid. And we didn't lose on purpose for 5 years. Everybody needs to quit being mad at the Sox FO & ownership now. Just stop. We're in a super enviable position moving forward- way better than the cubs.

 

In 2019?

 

Sure, Heyward, Lester and Zobrist might not look so attractive three or four years from now...but that last sentence of your post is a huge stretch. It's like arguing the White Sox would be worse off signing one of the Big 3 because of what may or may not happen in the back half of those contracts. Heyward probably will opt out.

 

Another point, Fulmer and Erik Johnson aren't guarantees, any more than Arrieta is a guarantee to win another Cy Young or blow out his elbow or shoulder.

 

If you look at starting position players, which White Sox players would you choose over their counterparts? Abreu over Rizzo? Frazier over Bryant? Cabrera over Schwarber? Garcia over Soler? Eaton over Heyward? Tim Anderson over Russell?

 

There's another problem with the niche being starting pitching over position players...the higher likelihood of injury/risk.

 

And are we really going to argue the Cubs' current farm system depth is inferior to Anderson, Fulmer, Adams, et al.?

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Any other ideas for the Sox in the event they don't sign one of Upton/Heyward/Gordon? I'm still not willing to assume the Sox sign one of those three so I refuse to get my hopes up only to have them come crashing down. Sometimes s*** just happens.

 

I'm up in the air on Parra. I like what he did while playing for the Brewers but his numbers pretty much sucked for the Orioles. Not sure what happened there.

 

Fowler has nice pop in his bat but I don't like his defense or the comp pick attached to him.

 

Jackson does absolutely nothing for me.

 

After those three the only remaining option is to look into a trade. For whom and at what cost I do not know. I do know that there are plenty of options out there and it's a buyers market so the costs should be reasonable.

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 08:33 AM)
Any other ideas for the Sox in the event they don't sign one of Upton/Heyward/Gordon? I'm still not willing to assume the Sox sign one of those three so I refuse to get my hopes up only to have them come crashing down. Sometimes s*** just happens.

 

I'm up in the air on Parra. I like what he did while playing for the Brewers but his numbers pretty much sucked for the Orioles. Not sure what happened there.

 

Fowler has nice pop in his bat but I don't like his defense or the comp pick attached to him.

 

Jackson does absolutely nothing for me.

 

After those three the only remaining option is to look into a trade. For whom and at what cost I do not know. I do know that there are plenty of options out there and it's a buyers market so the costs should be reasonable.

 

Cespedes*

 

And I'm not sure what they will do. Maybe Jackson who I still want if there is money leftover to platoon with LaRoche.

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QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 08:41 AM)
Cespedes*

 

And I'm not sure what they will do. Maybe Jackson who I still want if there is money leftover to platoon with LaRoche.

The Sox can use Avi as a platoon for LaRoche. Avi is also younger and less costly than Jackson although Jackson is a better outfielder.

 

 

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 08:48 AM)
The Sox can use Avi as a platoon for LaRoche. Avi is also younger and less costly than Jackson although Jackson is a better outfielder.

 

Avi only playing one full season and still being 24, I'd rather see get everyday at bats in AAA in the event that they decide to release LaRoche in say June/July if he's terrible, making Cabrera the DH.

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QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 08:59 AM)
Avi only playing one full season and still being 24, I'd rather see get everyday at bats in AAA in the event that they decide to release LaRoche in say June/July if he's terrible, making Cabrera the DH.

I understand the thinking behind Avi getting everyday at bats at AAA but he has already shown he can hit AAA pitching so, IMHO, the best way for him to improve is to continue seeing MLB pitching, even if its in a platoon role.

 

I'll be first to admit that when the Sox signed LaRoche I liked the signing but before that I was a big fan of the idea of keeping the DH spot open so it could be used as part of a rotation among the outfielders. I know its hindsight but boy the Sox sure could use that open spot now more than ever. We could see less of Avi and Melky in the outfield and yet still get them at bats.

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 09:21 AM)
I understand the thinking behind Avi getting everyday at bats at AAA but he has already shown he can hit AAA pitching so, IMHO, the best way for him to improve is to continue seeing MLB pitching, even if its in a platoon role.

 

I'll be first to admit that when the Sox signed LaRoche I liked the signing but before that I was a big fan of the idea of keeping the DH spot open so it could be used as part of a rotation among the outfielders. I know its hindsight but boy the Sox sure could use that open spot now more than ever. We could see less of Avi and Melky in the outfield and yet still get them at bats.

I agree, sending Avi to AAA would be a waste. I think he's either on our roster or we've traded him to acquire some sort of pitching.

 

To overstate the obvious, Robocop Laroche is really the clog in the drain. I still think it would be worth it to basically buy him out and facilitate a trade to any team who is willing to take him on for 3 to 5 million. The lineup flexibility is worth it imo.

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QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 10:16 AM)
I agree, sending Avi to AAA would be a waste. I think he's either on our roster or we've traded him to acquire some sort of pitching.

 

To overstate the obvious, Robocop Laroche is really the clog in the drain. I still think it would be worth it to basically buy him out and facilitate a trade to any team who is willing to take him on for 3 to 5 million. The lineup flexibility is worth it imo.

If he was using the same approach and swing, yes it would be a waste. If they want to change some things up, it is worth a shot. Nelson Cruz was a failed AAAA player until he changed some things up and/or took some booster shots.

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QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 10:16 AM)
I agree, sending Avi to AAA would be a waste. I think he's either on our roster or we've traded him to acquire some sort of pitching.

 

To overstate the obvious, Robocop Laroche is really the clog in the drain. I still think it would be worth it to basically buy him out and facilitate a trade to any team who is willing to take him on for 3 to 5 million. The lineup flexibility is worth it imo.

Who would you give his at-bats exactly? I don't see anyone on the roster or in AAA that has more potential upside that LaRoche does against RHP. He very well might suck again next year, but I'd rather give him a month or two to show me he isn't completely done yet before I give Shuck or Avi more at-bats. If not, we can always release him mid-season.

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QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 10:22 AM)
Who would you give his at-bats exactly? I don't see anyone on the roster or in AAA that has more potential upside that LaRoche does against RHP. He very well might suck again next year, but I'd rather give him a month or two to show me he isn't completely done yet before I give Shuck or Avi more at-bats. If not, we can always release him mid-season.

If we end up signing one of the big outfielders, then Melky and Avi would combined both get the majority of AB's at DH imo (one guy in RF, one guy at dh). If we don't bring in one of the big outfielders, then Laroche it is. Just not sold on a rebound, and apparently no other MLB team is either since we can't move him WITH a truck full of cash attached.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 10:22 AM)
If he was using the same approach and swing, yes it would be a waste. If they want to change some things up, it is worth a shot. Nelson Cruz was a failed AAAA player until he changed some things up and/or took some booster shots.

Hopefully the threat of losing his job will motivate Avi to get in and then stay in shape. I'd definitely rather keep Avi around than Laroche, but he's got to really show that he mentally gets the situation. If it's just the same old Avi, I say arreviderchi :)

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QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 10:42 AM)
If we end up signing one of the big outfielders, then Melky and Avi would combined both get the majority of AB's at DH imo (one guy in RF, one guy at dh). If we don't bring in one of the big outfielders, then Laroche it is. Just not sold on a rebound, and apparently no other MLB team is either since we can't move him WITH a truck full of cash attached.

That was only Pittsburgh. The problem is there really aren't any teams where he could be a fit, there aren't really any other teams looking to be competitive right now that are looking for a 1B/DH, the market just isn't there.

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QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 10:42 AM)
If we end up signing one of the big outfielders, then Melky and Avi would combined both get the majority of AB's at DH imo (one guy in RF, one guy at dh). If we don't bring in one of the big outfielders, then Laroche it is. Just not sold on a rebound, and apparently no other MLB team is either since we can't move him WITH a truck full of cash attached.

I'd much rather start the season with a LaRoche/Avi platoon at DH than automatically give Avi everyday at-bats. My view coming into the offseason was to address as many holes on the offense as reasonably possible and have multiple options at the remaining trouble spots. Assuming we add Cespedes or Gordon, we've already addressed four positions (LF/RF, 3B, 2B, & C). The two remaining question marks are DH & SS and I'd love to have some depth in place then rely on one guy. Sanchez at least provides a semi-intriguing option insurance plan at SS, with Anderson waiting in the wings in AAA. Without LaRoche, everything relies on Avi, because no one else really has everyday potential or can be the strong side of a DH platoon, which is scary considering the guy is coming off a 83 wRC+ season. Like it or not, we're better off giving LaRoche a chance to rebound than gambling on Avi's ability to suddenly learn plate discipline.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 10:22 AM)
If he was using the same approach and swing, yes it would be a waste. If they want to change some things up, it is worth a shot. Nelson Cruz was a failed AAAA player until he changed some things up and/or took some booster shots.

you can include JD Martinez on that list.

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QUOTE (striker @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 10:13 AM)
Danks, Engel, Spencer Adams and Avasail Garcia for Braun and Peralta.

 

If we didn't get any of the big 3 OFers, I would make the Brewers take on Danks and LaRoche's contracts to off set that Braun money. I also wouldn't include Adams in any deal.

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