Bob Sacamano Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 12:24 PM) He's not going to get $150 million or more from any other team besides the Orioles IMO. Oh for some reason I read your first comment as QO...my bad lol Yeah he should accept the O's offer and run away with it. Edited January 6, 2016 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 12:14 PM) If I had to guess I'd still say: WhiteSox/Cespedes, Upton/Angels, Orioles/Davis, Giants/Fowler That's a pretty good hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 12:28 PM) I think soxfan2014 thought you meant rejecting the QO. For whatever reason, correct. I yearn for this upcoming weekend lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Looks like next step is a mid-tier SP for KC Jon HeymanVerified account @JonHeyman Royals get back Gordon. Will look at starting pitcher now. Have Kennedy, Chen, gallardo on radar. @FlannyMLB 1st with AG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Man I just don't trust Cespedes to continue anything like last season, would much prefer the Span/RHSP combo to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 12:55 PM) Man I just don't trust Cespedes to continue anything like last season, would much prefer the Span/RHSP combo to him. I don't think he will hit as good as last year but better than his time in Oakland. Like an in between I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 10:20 AM) I think whoever ends up with Cespedes might end up with the most productive player out of any of the big three and you can include Heywards in that. I think Cespedes just started to figure it out last season with the Mets. Add that to playing with a fellow countrymen and friend in Abreu and hitting in your 1st hitter friendly field in his career. I think your getting a guy at the cusp of stardom and just starting his prime along with Abreu and Frazier. I also think he becomes a better OF defensively by calling the Cell home. He had a lot of OF grass to cover in most of the fields he played in with the first few teams. And then had to deal with the Green Monster. I just really hope we get him. It would just shock me if we did. I still can't quite grasp the thought we will spend that much money or can I see us landing a huge FA. I just get that feeling it'll fall through and we'll have to watch him rake and ask what could have been... Exactly my sentiments and feelings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 12:55 PM) Man I just don't trust Cespedes to continue anything like last season, would much prefer the Span/RHSP combo to him. Don't trust Cespedes, but wants older, injury plagued, below average center fielder in Denard Span. Makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 01:01 PM) Don't trust Cespedes, but wants older, injury plagued, below average center fielder in Denard Span. Makes sense. I don't trust Cespedes to be anywhere near last season, and a 4/5 year commitment at his price will be a huge hit to our payroll. I dont think adding just one of Cespedes/Upton/Gordon is enough to truly compete anyways so signing up for that big of a commitment is extremely risky. You're gambling quite a bit there and I, personally, just don't like those odds. I'd rather play conservatively with solid but not stellar moves that wouldn't kill our future resources, try to take advantage of Sale/Abreu by bringing in depth around them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 02:06 PM) I don't trust Cespedes to be anywhere near last season, and a 4/5 year commitment at his price will be a huge hit to our payroll. I dont think adding just one of Cespedes/Upton/Gordon is enough to truly compete anyways so signing up for that big of a commitment is extremely risky. You're gambling quite a bit there and I, personally, just don't like those odds. I'd rather play conservatively with solid but not stellar moves that wouldn't kill our future resources, try to take advantage of Sale/Abreu by bringing in depth around them. We already committed ourselves to the "risky compete next year move" when we traded for a 3b who is a FA in 2 seasons. Next offseason's FA class is weak enough that we can't solve the current problems next season as easily as we can right now and we have no choice but to put a roster out there all-in by the end of 2017. Plus it's not like we're waiting on the arrival of franchise-reshaping talent from the minors in 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 01:10 PM) We already committed ourselves to the "risky compete next year move" when we traded for a 3b who is a FA in 2 seasons. Next offseason's FA class is weak enough that we can't solve the current problems next season as easily as we can right now and we have no choice but to put a roster out there all-in by the end of 2017. I still disagree that the previous moves committ the sox to this. They traded for a 3B to hold the spot until their next prospect (Trey M.) should be ready. He is a stop gap but a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 01:16 PM) I still disagree that the previous moves committ the sox to this. They traded for a 3B to hold the spot until their next prospect (Trey M.) should be ready. He is a stop gap but a good one. You don't trade for an All Star third baseman to be a stopgap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 01:10 PM) We already committed ourselves to the "risky compete next year move" when we traded for a 3b who is a FA in 2 seasons. Next offseason's FA class is weak enough that we can't solve the current problems next season as easily as we can right now and we have no choice but to put a roster out there all-in by the end of 2017. Plus it's not like we're waiting on the arrival of franchise-reshaping talent from the minors in 2017. We're all doomed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (Sockin @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 01:17 PM) You don't trade for an All Star third baseman to be a stopgap. How would you describe All Star rentals who have a year or less left until free agency that are traded for then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 02:16 PM) I still disagree that the previous moves committ the sox to this. They traded for a 3B to hold the spot until their next prospect (Trey M.) should be ready. He is a stop gap but a good one. So he's going to contribute to a competitive roster in 2018 and be close to a ROY candidate? He won't need a year or two at any level to develop? You can plan this setup so well that you're willing to risk Chris Sale walking without a playoff appearance on Trey M's development at 3b? Sign the stupid OF. We already committed to it. I don't like it, I still think we're a 4th place team, but we're at least better with one of those last 2 OFs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 02:18 PM) We're all doomed This post is nothing but trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (Sockin @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 01:17 PM) You don't trade for an All Star third baseman to be a stopgap. They did because he didn't cost much . That's why the trade took so long. Mark this for 2 years from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (Sockin @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 01:17 PM) You don't trade for an All Star third baseman to be a stopgap. I agree with this and I agree that you can't trade for Frazier and do nothing else. I just hate going after a FA who just had a career year, to me you are setting yourself up for a large financial commitment that won't work out and stump us for years. I also understand get why we are going for Cespedes, I just don't see that deal working out for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 01:19 PM) This post is nothing but trolling. There really needs to be a troll face icon. It would save a great deal of typing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 01:20 PM) I agree with this and I agree that you can't trade for Frazier and do nothing else. I just hate going after a FA who just had a career year, to me you are setting yourself up for a large financial commitment that won't work out and stump us for years. I also understand get why we are going for Cespedes, I just don't see that deal working out for us. Then they shouldn't sign it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 02:22 PM) Then they shouldn't sign it. Then one of the other options, Fowler, or someone like that, needs to be brought in instead, or Fulmer/Anderson traded for an OF. This roster can't go into 2016 with an OF of Melky, Eaton, Garcia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 01:20 PM) I agree with this and I agree that you can't trade for Frazier and do nothing else. I just hate going after a FA who just had a career year, to me you are setting yourself up for a large financial commitment that won't work out and stump us for years. I also understand get why we are going for Cespedes, I just don't see that deal working out for us. I agree with you, I'm not a big fan of Cespedes and these situations definitely have a habit of not working out for the Sox. But they put themselves in a tough position by trading for Frazier. From a business standpoint, you can't show that to the general fanbase and just stop. Todd Frazier was a good move but he will not sell tickets. I've seen a few posters on here say they would pick up plans if they sign a big OF upgrade. Hahn has already stated they're not done in the OF and if by not being "done" there means going out and getting Denard Span or Dexter Fowler there are many, many casual fans who will laugh them off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 01:19 PM) They did because he didn't cost much . That's why the trade took so long. Mark this for 2 years from now. Then why not just have Mike Olt sit out there until he's ready? That would of saved the team prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (Sockin @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 01:17 PM) You don't trade for an All Star third baseman to be a stopgap. Or 3 of your better prospects. They will get someone to play the OF and hit a bit. I'm not too worried about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 01:27 PM) Then one of the other options, Fowler, or someone like that, needs to be brought in instead, or Fulmer/Anderson traded for an OF. This roster can't go into 2016 with an OF of Melky, Eaton, Garcia. I agree they should find someone to replace Garcia. Ideally, it will be Cepedes, if the price is right. If not, they will find someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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