caulfield12 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Or how were the Tigers able to project JD Martinez and especially Jose Iglesias would be solid offensive contributors...whereas we were so off on Garcia, Davidson, Hawkins, etc. KW used to be able to find those undervalued players but it pretty much ended with Quentin and Ramirez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 08:30 AM) Phil Rogers on MLBN suggesting Sox trade Robertson to fit one of the major OFs. No thanks. You don't go all in by trading the best piece of your bullpen. Sign one of the big 3, bust the budget for this upcoming year and recoup it in 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Sources: #WhiteSox showing interest in Alex Gordon, among others. Gordon appeals for several reasons: Knows division, LHH, defense, makeup. https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/679344296647131140 Question is whether #WhiteSox could pay Gordon enough to pry him from #Royals. Team would be left with Melky, LaRoche, Garcia at RF/DH. https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/679344301374087169 #WhiteSox could trade one of those players - preferably LaRoche, who will earn $13M in ’16. Wouldn’t be easy with Alvarez, Carter among FAs. https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/679344306247876608 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpd9189 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 So basically we know who their target is but money is still an issue. Seems someone has to go for the Sox to sign Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 https://twitter.com/royalsclubhouse/status/...345843871223808 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 08:56 AM) Sources: #WhiteSox showing interest in Alex Gordon, among others. Gordon appeals for several reasons: Knows division, LHH, defense, makeup. https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/679344296647131140 Question is whether #WhiteSox could pay Gordon enough to pry him from #Royals. Team would be left with Melky, LaRoche, Garcia at RF/DH. https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/679344301374087169 #WhiteSox could trade one of those players - preferably LaRoche, who will earn $13M in ’16. Wouldn’t be easy with Alvarez, Carter among FAs. https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/679344306247876608 That is not an issue. We have nothing to lose by sending Avisail down to Charlotte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 10:57 AM) So basically we know who their target is but money is still an issue. Seems someone has to go for the Sox to sign Gordon. I wouldn't read too much into that. If the FO is really convinced any three of these guys are truly an impact player who truly puts us in position to compete next year then they will spend the money. Jerry has shows this in the past, he is willing to take a chance and spend money that "isn't there" especially when it comes to his White Sox. The Sox are doing their due diligence and playing the market for what it is. There's no need to say they have the money if they are trying to negotiate the price down. There's been a lot more smoke this week with Gordon who you really didn't hear connected with the Sox till the past few days. This is something to watch, I'm guessing the Royals made an offer that was way below his worth after a hometown discount. So I'm guessing his camp opened up convos again because they really wanted to sign with KC. I wouldn't be surprised to see a team jump in and steal him away, and it may be us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I asked before, but why can't Gordon play RF? I know he's been almost exclusively in LF, but is something that prevents him from playing RF? I hate the idea of Melky or Avi getting regular playing time there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Good news is that they have enough money available to at least be considering Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 11:01 AM) https://twitter.com/royalsclubhouse/status/...345843871223808 The question is who does the FO really prioritize? If they go big on Gordon it'll be hard to sign more than one of their 5 FAs next season. Cain, Moose, Escobar, Hosmer, and Wade are all in walk years. I don't see KC going above a set price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 11:04 AM) I asked before, but why can't Gordon play RF? I know he's been almost exclusively in LF, but is something that prevents him from playing RF? I hate the idea of Melky or Avi getting regular playing time there. He's a Gold Glove left fielder. It would be plain stupid to have him switch positions just so Melky wouldn't have to play right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 11:04 AM) I asked before, but why can't Gordon play RF? I know he's been almost exclusively in LF, but is something that prevents him from playing RF? I hate the idea of Melky or Avi getting regular playing time there. I'm sure he could play RF, but why take a guy away from part of what makes him so good. He's elite in LF, who knows how he translates in RF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 10:57 AM) So basically we know who their target is but money is still an issue. Seems someone has to go for the Sox to sign Gordon. I would pay 10 million of Laroche's tag to get him out of here. At this point it's not the money as much as freeing up the lineup spot that is the biggest gain. Some will say it makes more sense to just keep him around as a lefty bat off the bench and late inning glove guy; we already have a guy in JB Schuck that can swing it lefty, and we can surely find someone else to play late inning D at 1st base. Call me crazy but at this point I'd rather pay $10 million to make Laroche go away and open up the roster spot, then pay $13 million to keep him as a pinch hitter/defensive specialist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Sounds like this Royals person is somewhat connected. I'll believe Gordon to the Sox when I see it, but it's been obvious the Sox will land somebody. Just have to be patient, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I'll be shocked if he leaves KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 11:08 AM) I would pay 10 million of Laroche's tag to get him out of here. At this point it's not the money as much as freeing up the lineup spot that is the biggest gain. Some will say it makes more sense to just keep him around as a lefty bat off the bench and late inning glove guy; we already have a guy in JB Schuck that can swing it lefty, and we can surely find someone else to play late inning D at 1st base. Call me crazy but at this point I'd rather pay $10 million to make Laroche go away and open up the roster spot, then pay $13 million to keep him as a pinch hitter/defensive specialist. I personally am not worried about Laroche I think he bounces back big time this year. If you add Upton or Cespedes his bat continues to slide down in the order and the less we rely on him. I'm okay with Laroche on this team, if we have the money to sign one of these guys, I think the line up is better with one of the big three PLUS Laroache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 10:56 AM) Sources: #WhiteSox showing interest in Alex Gordon, among others. Gordon appeals for several reasons: Knows division, LHH, defense, makeup. https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/679344296647131140 Question is whether #WhiteSox could pay Gordon enough to pry him from #Royals. Team would be left with Melky, LaRoche, Garcia at RF/DH. https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/679344301374087169 #WhiteSox could trade one of those players - preferably LaRoche, who will earn $13M in ’16. Wouldn’t be easy with Alvarez, Carter among FAs. https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/679344306247876608 caulfield are you ok with the thread title now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 11:11 AM) I personally am not worried about Laroche I think he bounces back big time this year. If you add Upton or Cespedes his bat continues to slide down in the order and the less we rely on him. I'm okay with Laroche on this team, if we have the money to sign one of these guys, I think the line up is better with one of the big three PLUS Laroache. I agree with this. Hell, even Adam Dunn bounced back nicely in his 2nd season with us. If Laroche really is LaDunn, as some have so affectionately referred to him as, then I expect he will be much closer to his career norms next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 06:09 PM) Sounds like this Royals person is somewhat connected. Yep, this makes me think Gordon goes back to KC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 11:11 AM) I personally am not worried about Laroche I think he bounces back big time this year. If you add Upton or Cespedes his bat continues to slide down in the order and the less we rely on him. I'm okay with Laroche on this team, if we have the money to sign one of these guys, I think the line up is better with one of the big three PLUS Laroache. Yeah I'd rather just keep LaRoche and bet on a bounce back than just give him away for nothing while paying 90% of his contract. I doubt the $3 million in savings is going to be the difference between getting one of the Big 3 or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 11:11 AM) I personally am not worried about Laroche I think he bounces back big time this year. If you add Upton or Cespedes his bat continues to slide down in the order and the less we rely on him. I'm okay with Laroche on this team, if we have the money to sign one of these guys, I think the line up is better with one of the big three PLUS Laroache. This is the best post I've read on this site in quite some time. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 11:11 AM) I personally am not worried about Laroche I think he bounces back big time this year. If you add Upton or Cespedes his bat continues to slide down in the order and the less we rely on him. I'm okay with Laroche on this team, if we have the money to sign one of these guys, I think the line up is better with one of the big three PLUS Laroache. If Laroche bounces back, we have no issues. I agree, if we can slide him down to 6th or 7th in the lineup the Sox will be in business. But I'm more worried about sliding Melky over to start in right field if Gordon comes in. I'd rather have Laroche gone so Melky can become the main DH, and we'll figure out right field as we go (Melky/Avi/Schuck/4th outfielder yet to be acquired in a platoon based on hitting splits). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 11:14 AM) Yep, this makes me think Gordon goes back to KC Do you guys read into the fact Gordon's market was relatively quiet all offseason, probably because it was assumed he would just resign with KC. But now we are hearing about the Wsox being interested, it just leads me to think Gordon and the KC FO couldn't agree on his worth or what the team was willing to pay, so his agent reopened talks with other clubs. Again this could all be leverage but don't discount the fact if KC was low balling him with the hopes of a hometown discount, that Gordon doesn't feel slighted by the fact they aren't willing to pay more. At the end of the day these guys are competitors and he would be foolish to turn down a larger contract in what will be his first big pay day, and what could be his last given his age. Edited December 22, 2015 by Frank_Thomas35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 05:20 PM) Do you guys read into the fact Gordon's market was relatively quiet all offseason, probably because it was assumed he would just resign with KC. But now we are hearing about the Wsox being interested, it just leads me to think Gordon and the KC FO couldn't agree on his worth or what the team was willing to pay, so his agent reopened talks. Again this could all be leverage but don't discount the fact of KC was low balling him with the hopes of a hometown discount that Gordon doesn't feel slighted by the fact they aren't willing to pay more. At the end of the day these guys are competitors and he would be foolish to turn down a larger contract in what will be his first big pay day, and what could be his last with his age. Up until a few days ago, I thought there was no way Gordon was going back to KC. Cardinals/Cubs/Giants/Angels seemed like best fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Where would he hit hypothetically? 5th behind Frazier and then Lawrie 6th, LaRoche 7th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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