flavum Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 The votes are in, and will be announced on Jan 6th at 5pm. So far 103 voters have made their votes public, which is about 23% of the total. Griffey - 100% Piazza - 90.3% Bagwell - 84.5% Raines - 81.6% I'm starting not to really care anymore, but my ballot would be: Griffey, Piazza, Bagwell, Bonds, Clemens, Mussina, Schilling, Raines, McGriff, and Trammell I'm not a Hoffman guy at all, and every one else on the ballot falls short for me too. https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=F...AC7uZHAmcVGWgwE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I'd really be happy to see Raines finally get in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Raines better get in. He has just this year and next left on the ballot. There's a good chance he is going to get f***ed by the new ten year rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Dec 26, 2015 -> 12:03 PM) Raines better get in. He has just this year and next left on the ballot. There's a good chance he is going to get f***ed by the new ten year rule. Hopefully he gets in over the next two years, but I have a feeling down the road, they'll come up with other ways to get in the Hall besides a 16-person committee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 26, 2015 -> 11:39 AM) I'm starting not to really care anymore, but my ballot would be: Griffey, Piazza, Bagwell, Bonds, Clemens, Mussina, Schilling, Raines, McGriff, and Trammell ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 If Piazza gets in, then Bagwell should have no more excuses not to. Hell, I've been pro Bonds getting in for years now. Griffey Jr. may very well be the last "clean" no doubter left for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 Raines has fallen under 80%, with about 27% of the ballots made public. https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=F...AC7uZHAmcVGWgwE Looking like Griffey and Piazza will get in, with Bagwell on the cusp. Unfortunately, I think Raines will go backwards from here and fall short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 26, 2015 -> 11:19 PM) ... should we go back and exclude hall of famers from prior to the steroid era that were using greenies and coke and amphetamines like it was going out of style? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 12:04 PM) should we go back and exclude hall of famers from prior to the steroid era that were using greenies and coke and amphetamines like it was going out of style? Sooooooooooo not the same as PED's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 12:04 PM) should we go back and exclude hall of famers from prior to the steroid era that were using greenies and coke and amphetamines like it was going out of style? Guys that get caught cheating in a significant way should not be allowed into the HoF. Do criminals that were caught red-handed get let off because others got away with their crimes? And past injustices should not stop us from getting the system right going forward. Blame Bud Selig and whoever else was responsible for letting the game get to a point where cheating was running rampant, but how can anyone argue HoF voters should turn a blind eye as well. We can never take away what guys like Bonds & Sosa accomplished on the field, but we definitely shouldn't celebrate them by putting them into the Hall. Edited December 30, 2015 by Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Mike Piazza 90.2% Jeff Bagwell 84.4% Barry Bonds 50.0% LOL, what a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Man so much of the hall is just sentimentality now. Bunch of idiots. If Raines announced he had pancreatic cancer he'd probably get in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 12:12 PM) Sooooooooooo not the same as PED's. Its cheating, regardless. And many of those guys were never caught with anything, just talked about. Bagwell and Piazza specifically QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 12:23 PM) Guys that get caught cheating in a significant way should not be allowed into the HoF. Do criminals that were caught red-handed get let off because others got away with their crimes? And past injustices should not stop us from getting the system right going forward. Blame Bud Selig and whoever else was responsible for letting the game get to a point where cheating was running rampant, but how can anyone argue HoF voters should turn a blind eye as well. We can never take away what guys like Bonds & Sosa accomplished on the field, but we definitely shouldn't celebrate them by putting them into the Hall. GMAB, the hall of fame is a popularity contest and it will never be right going forward, there will ALWAYS be cheaters somehow. People want to pick and choose what is ok to look past, and bottom line is none of it is ok to look past, but people have been looking past it forever, The steroid era happened, everyone is under suspicion in that era. I dont even care anymore, Bonds was a HOFer before and after he bulked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 12:34 PM) Its cheating, regardless. And many of those guys were never caught with anything, just talked about. Bagwell and Piazza specifically GMAB, the hall of fame is a popularity contest and it will never be right going forward, there will ALWAYS be cheaters somehow. People want to pick and choose what is ok to look past, and bottom line is none of it is ok to look past, but people have been looking past it forever, The steroid era happened, everyone is under suspicion in that era. I dont even care anymore, Bonds was a HOFer before and after he bulked up. Lol...people pick and choose what they want to look past based on the best info that's readily available info. The guys who were caught red-handed are the guys getting punished right now. Guys like Bagwell & Piazza who were never caught using PEDs shouldn't be excluded from the Hall because of some unconfirmed speculation. Sucks that some cheaters will certainly get in, but it's beyond ridiculous to suggest we let all PED users in so the writers don't have to pick and choose. Either don't cheat or don't get caught. There should be absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for guys who cheated for years on years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 01:03 PM) Lol...people pick and choose what they want to look past based on the best info that's readily available info. The guys who were caught red-handed are the guys getting punished right now. Guys like Bagwell & Piazza who were never caught using PEDs shouldn't be excluded from the Hall because of some unconfirmed speculation. Sucks that some cheaters will certainly get in, but it's beyond ridiculous to suggest we let all PED users in so the writers don't have to pick and choose. Either don't cheat or don't get caught. There should be absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for guys who cheated for years on years. Dont confuse me not caring with sympathy. If players have the numbers to be among the elite of their time, then they should be hall of famers IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Agreeing with Kyle and Bmags. The Hall is dumb. There are probably roiders in the HoF. People used drugs to enhance peformance when it was greenies. And you know what? Who's worse for the game - Barry Bonds or Ty Cobb? One used roids and went from a Hall of Famer to possibly the best ever and the other was a racist that beat up a crippled fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 The known PEDs users are just NOT getting in, which is as it should be. If you rewarded them, what message would you be sending kids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) Agreeing with Kyle and Bmags. The Hall is dumb. There are probably roiders in the HoF. People used drugs to enhance peformance when it was greenies. And you know what? Who's worse for the game - Barry Bonds or Ty Cobb? One used roids and went from a Hall of Famer to possibly the best ever and the other was a racist that beat up a crippled fan. The logic is counterproductive. Just because guys didn't get in trouble for lynching in the old days, should we not punish cops for shooting kids in cold blood today? It is a different day and age. Players knew what they were doing was against the rules, and if caught could ruin their careers. It shouldn't be a shock when it does. Unless the Hall of Fame wants to come out with a directive that states otherwise, I fully expect steroid usage to be something considered when voting for HOF candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 26, 2015 -> 12:00 PM) I'd really be happy to see Raines finally get in. I hope he makes it also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Raines should 100% be in. My ballot would be: Griffey Piazza* Bagwell Raines Edmonds Martinez Trammell Mussina I still think Dale Murphy got shafted, but he's no longer on the ballot. Piazza I am having a hard time with PED-wise, but the evidence on him is just too thin for me to weigh it in. Clemens and Bonds the evidence is huge, clearly they're out for me. Mussina and Schilling are tough calls for me, could go either way on both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 02:31 PM) I hope he makes it also. Can I get in? Please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 When it comes to PEDs, I draw the line at the Mitchell Report. Before that, MLB practically wanted players to take PEDs. I don't condone them, but it was going to happen without a real testing program and putting a stigma on taking them. After the Mitchell Report, there should be Zero Tolerance...just short of a lifetime ban. The party should be over as much as possible. So for Bonds and Clemens, yeah, I'd hold my nose and vote for them. Guys like Sosa and McGwire, I can use my common sense and say they wouldn't have Hall-like numbers without PEDs. Obviously there are tougher calls since we don't know one way or the other (Piazza and Bagwell), but the Steroid Era existed, and they might as well put the best-of-the-best from that era in, and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 All the other stuff aside, pumped to see Griffey get in. It was so cool seeing one of my favorite players ever contribute in some small way with the Sox. Still the sweetest swing ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 10:57 PM) All the other stuff aside, pumped to see Griffey get in. It was so cool seeing one of my favorite players ever contribute in some small way with the Sox. Still the sweetest swing ever. And despite how short his stint was with the Sox, his plaque will forever say played with Mariners, 1989-1999, 2009-2010, Reds 2000-2008, White Sox, 2008 and thats pretty cool to have the Sox listed on one of the greatest players ever's plaque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsoxsoxsox Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 11:57 PM) All the other stuff aside, pumped to see Griffey get in. It was so cool seeing one of my favorite players ever contribute in some small way with the Sox. Still the sweetest swing ever. What if Ken Griffey Jr. had stayed healthy http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11372312...-stayed-healthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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