GGajewski18 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 12:50 PM) Gavin Floyd seems to be a wild card that could happen. Makes sense as well. Good call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Gavin Floyd to me is the starter version of Jesse Crain. The setback is coming, but spring training fluff would make it seem like he could win 15. It wouldn't cost anything, so I wouldn't be surprised it happened, but would be very surprised anything really came of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 01:01 PM) Gavin Floyd to me is the starter version of Jesse Crain. The setback is coming, but spring training fluff would make it seem like he could win 15. It wouldn't cost anything, so I wouldn't be surprised it happened, but would be very surprised anything really came of it. That entire list is full of guys that probably won't do anything, but are worth a lottery ticket kind of deal. Every once in a while you find a Loaiza. Mostly you find Paulino's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Despite his Samardzija-like ERA in 2015 Latos still had solid peripherals, he seems like a good buy-low candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 01:09 PM) Despite his Samardzija-like ERA in 2015 Latos still had solid peripherals, he seems like a good buy-low candidate. He's a guy I'd be interested in, but I think he'll ultimately be too expensive for us assuming we land Gordon/Cespedes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Sign Floyd to a minor league deal with an invite to Spring Training and Latos to a 1 year, $1.5 million deal with a crapload of incentives. There you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 01:15 PM) Sign Floyd to a minor league deal with an invite to Spring Training and Latos to a 1 year, $1.5 million deal with a crapload of incentives. There you go. That would work if Latos was hurt last year, like Henderson Alvarez. However, he was not, so there is no way he takes that deal. He'll get a year north of 5-6 million with incentives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 01:15 PM) Sign Floyd to a minor league deal with an invite to Spring Training and Latos to a 1 year, $1.5 million deal with a crapload of incentives. There you go. Latos is going to get f***ton more guaranteed money than that. He put up a 3.72 FIP last year, someone will easily give him $8M+ on a one year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 01:15 PM) Sign Floyd to a minor league deal with an invite to Spring Training and Latos to a 1 year, $1.5 million deal with a crapload of incentives. There you go. Latos will get more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 Latos for $10-12 million (one year) Parra for $8-10 million (one year) add Desmond in June for 4 months....$10 million Wouldn't that be much more of an impact because...? 1) You're only spending roughly $5 million than on Cespedes 2) You now have credible insurance for injury/non-performance pitching-wise 3) You can get a pick if Latos does really well and/or trade him in June/July 4) Players would have more motivation to perform for bigger FA payoffs in 2017 5) You also have insurance for Saladino...not to mention PR, outfielder (potentially) or DH in the case of LaRoche or Avi flop 6) You don't have to worry about huge financial commitments with back end of Big 3 guys blowing up in your face and blocking efforts to reload/retool like Dunn/LaRoche/Danks deals have effectively done 7) Injury risk is spread across three players rather than just one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 01:34 PM) Latos for $10-12 million (one year) Parra for $8-10 million (one year) add Desmond in June for 4 months....$10 million Wouldn't that be much more of an impact because...? 1) You're only spending roughly $5 million than on Cespedes 2) You now have credible insurance for injury/non-performance pitching-wise 3) You can get a pick if Latos does really well and/or trade him in June/July 4) Players would have more motivation to perform for bigger FA payoffs in 2017 5) You also have insurance for Saladino...not to mention PR, outfielder (potentially) or DH in the case of LaRoche or Avi flop 6) You don't have to worry about huge financial commitments with back end of Big 3 guys blowing up in your face and blocking efforts to reload/retool like Dunn/LaRoche/Danks deals have effectively done 7) Injury risk is spread across three players rather than just one Why would Desmond remain unsigned until June? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Why would Desmond remain unsigned until June? Because caulfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) Hasn't everyone said all along Desmond and Fowler were the two most likely candidates to go unsigned into the regular season due to the QO picks attached? Fine, just bring back Alexei Ramirez at that time. So in June, you'd have Ramirez, Latos and Parra or Cespedes. I'm also assuming at least one starting pitcher will miss time, so you avoid having to start Turner or Beck. Edited December 31, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Why in the world would Parra sign that deal? He's going to get something like 3/40, yet you project 1/8-10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Why in the world would Parra sign that deal? He's going to get something like 3/40, yet you project 1/8-10? Because caulfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 02:01 PM) Gavin Floyd to me is the starter version of Jesse Crain. The setback is coming, but spring training fluff would make it seem like he could win 15. It wouldn't cost anything, so I wouldn't be surprised it happened, but would be very surprised anything really came of it. Isnt that the role we had Brad Penny in last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 01:52 PM) Hasn't everyone said all along Desmond and Fowler were the two most likely candidates to go unsigned into the regular season due to the QO picks attached? Fine, just bring back Alexei Ramirez at that time. So in June, you'd have Ramirez, Latos and Parra or Cespedes. I'm also assuming at least one starting pitcher will miss time, so you avoid having to start Turner or Beck. I will 100% take Cespedes, E. Johnson, & Saladino over Parra, Latos, & Ramirez. Not even a debate for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 02:01 PM) I will 100% take Cespedes, E. Johnson, & Saladino over Parra, Latos, & Ramirez. Not even a debate for me. So you're 100% confident Johnson and Saladino will keep their spots all season long then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 02:08 PM) So you're 100% confident Johnson and Saladino will keep their spots all season long then? And you're 100% confident Latos would be good in the AL, Parra's fall off in Baltimore was just a mirage, and Desmond will be one of the first players to sign in June and live up to his contract. $28 million, which as pointed out would be very low, 100% confident. Maybe that is what the Royals will do, and they will start selling off parts at the deadline. If they can't offer Gordon market rate after 2 WS appearances, they will be totally screwed if they don't make the playoffs and get that additional revenue. No way those remaining sign extensions, and I'm sure the great leader Sal Perez is still a little miffed the Royals didn't do what you told us they would do, rip up his contract and give him something more appropriate for one of the greatest leaders of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 02:08 PM) So you're 100% confident Johnson and Saladino will keep their spots all season long then? Not at all, but I think Cespedes is significantly better than Parra and that Latos & Ramirez aren't sure things either. I'll happily take one impact player and two question marks than one mediocre played and two question marks with a bit more certainty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 01:54 PM) Why in the world would Parra sign that deal? He's going to get something like 3/40, yet you project 1/8-10? For the same reason every outfielder has seemingly come down in price by 25%...too much supply, and too many additional outfielders available simultaneously at discount on the trade market. How can he get that much based on his 2015 season? Especially from an AL team...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 02:08 PM) So you're 100% confident Johnson and Saladino will keep their spots all season long then? No, and that's risky. The question is what's more risky - a full season of Cespedes and rolling the dice with EJ and Saladino (with Beck-Turner having to be possibly be counted on for 5-12 starts), or a full season of Latos, Parra and Ramirez, where Beck/Turner might have to be turned to anyway if Latos can't stay healthy again and EJ fails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 02:12 PM) And you're 100% confident Latos would be good in the AL, Parra's fall off in Baltimore was just a mirage, and Desmond will be one of the first players to sign in June and live up to his contract. $28 million, which as pointed out would be very low, 100% confident. Maybe that is what the Royals will do, and they will start selling off parts at the deadline. If they can't offer Gordon market rate after 2 WS appearances, they will be totally screwed if they don't make the playoffs and get that additional revenue. No way those remaining sign extensions, and I'm sure the great leader Sal Perez is still a little miffed the Royals didn't do what you told us they would do, rip up his contract and give him something more appropriate for one of the greatest leaders of all time. Finished? That was constructive. How about you come up with a back-up plan for when/if the Big 3 fall through for $30 million. You sure enjoy being sarcastic but never provide anything other than general platitudes, lectures or generic comments such as it would be nice to get Gordon or Cespedes. Quite insightful. And when have Boras clients not gone on the open market and signed hometown discounts, by the way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 09:13 PM) For the same reason every outfielder has seemingly come down in price by 25%...too much supply, and too many additional outfielders available simultaneously at discount on the trade market. How can he get that much based on his 2015 season? Especially from an AL team...? Which outfielder's price has come down 25%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 02:22 PM) Finished? That was constructive. How about you come up with a back-up plan for when/if the Big 3 fall through for $30 million. You sure enjoy being sarcastic but never provide anything other than general platitudes, lectures or generic comments such as it would be nice to get Gordon or Cespedes. Quite insightful. And when have Boras clients not gone on the open market and signed hometown discounts, by the way? I just hope someone keeps a list of all your recommendations. Latos, Desmond, Duensing, Parra. You name enough crappy players one is bound to hit for you and you can remind us all summer. I have already said what I would do. With names. And as stated, the Royals, if they can't afford Gordon now, are screwed. They should start rebuilding immediately. Edited December 31, 2015 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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