2016 Democratic Thread

[Buehrle>Wood]

DWS has been given a job with the Clinton campaign. Come on ladies, at least wait, I don't know, a week, 24 hours even.

[caulfield12]

This is much worse than Melania's speech nonsense.

 

Congrats in pissing off the entire progressive wing...with no accommodation to Sanders, Liz Warren, Tom Perez, etc.

[bmags]

DWS replacement was also just removed due to more stuff coming to light with Wikileaks. We're on DNC chair number 3 today.

 

So this hasn't happened...did you mistake CNN for the DNC?

[Buehrle>Wood]

So this hasn't happened...did you mistake CNN for the DNC?

?

 

Nope. Brazile is actually back with CNN since she was removed as DNC chair. This is per Wikileaks themselves. They could be wrong, but they certainly seem to be in the know here.

Edited July 25, 2016 by Buehrle>Wood

[bmags]

I'm guessing you aren't providing a link because you are so sure this is reported? This must be coming from the Pravda

Edited July 25, 2016 by bmags

[Buehrle>Wood]

I'm guessing you aren't providing a link because you are so sure this is reported? This must be coming from the Pravda

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/757369719771033600

[bmags]

Yeah, no. So Marcia Fudge is the Convention Chair, and Brazile is the interim DNC Chair. An easy place to find news like this, would be a place like CNN, where you talked about her "returning".

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/politics/dnc-wikileaks-emails/

[Buehrle>Wood]

Deadline reported she is back with CNN or never left, one of the two. I wouldn't trust cnn on this story, given their close ties to the situation.

[bmags]

LOL ok. What is she just going to be a shadow DNC chair, where nobody reports that she has left but is secretly just on CNN? CNN says she is staying on for convention unpaid. See explicit paragraph. I'm sure deadline has it in the bag thou

 

"DNC Vice Chair Donna Brazile will serve as interim chair through the election, it was announced Sunday. She had been a CNN political commentator, but CNN and Brazile have mutually agreed to suspend their contract, effective immediately, although she will remain on air during the convention week in an unpaid capacity, CNN said. CNN will revisit the contract once Brazile concludes her role."

[Buehrle>Wood]

LOL ok. What is she just going to be a shadow DNC chair, where nobody reports that she has left but is secretly just on CNN? CNN says she is staying on for convention unpaid. See explicit paragraph. I'm sure deadline has it in the bag thou

 

"DNC Vice Chair Donna Brazile will serve as interim chair through the election, it was announced Sunday. She had been a CNN political commentator, but CNN and Brazile have mutually agreed to suspend their contract, effective immediately, although she will remain on air during the convention week in an unpaid capacity, CNN said. CNN will revisit the contract once Brazile concludes her role."

So she is staying on CNN. Alright then.

[Buehrle>Wood]

So DWS new title will be honorary chair to the Clinton campaign. Was wrong on the foundation job but she sure landed on her feet quickly. I'd be so irate if I was a Sanders supporter. I mean everyone said the collusion was taking place, but DWS not even being a true fall guy is terrible, especially when your own candidate turned your back on you.

[bmags]

Yeah, you know where you could have found out that news? Hillary Clinton's press release.

[bmags]

So she is staying on CNN. Alright then.

 

You realize you said that because of the DNC dump she was ousted as DNC chair and we were on chair #3 today right?

[Buehrle>Wood]

Yeah, you know where you could have found out that news? Hillary Clinton's press release.

Um, okay?

[StrangeSox]

Deadline reported she is back with CNN or never left, one of the two. I wouldn't trust cnn on this story, given their close ties to the situation.

But you trust wikileaks lol

[greg775]

When are people going to accept the face Democrats are as slimy or more even than Republicans? Out of Hillary and Trump ... I'd rather have Bernie. He got major hosed. It's amazing how fixed the election process is in a country that prides itself on elections.

 

So now the media is jumping on this to get the DNC off the hook ... The Russians leaked the emails to help Trump. Trump is a Rooskie!! Trump will try to be a dictator!!! When the whole story is how it was fixed to destroy Bernie.

Poor Bernie. Had true momentum despite all this bulls*** and still had no chance cause the media ignored his victories and acted like he was an old clown. Shame shame shame.

 

But instead of an investigation ... TRUMP IS THE EVIL ONE. The Russians want him to win cause Trump is evil and will help destroy the USA. Maybe Russia can even take over the USA someday! So elect Hillary!! Such a scam. Poor poor Bernie.

Edited July 25, 2016 by greg775

[bmags]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/polit...rs-clinton.html

 

This was best rundown of emails I found.

 

I will say, while this shows a clear lack of control from DWS, who clearly didn't like Sanders operatives and possibly let more open s*** talking and postulating than should appear in a political operation that is not a campaign - the idea that this shows 'rigging' is pretty out there.

 

This reminds me a hell of a lot of the leak of the CRU (Climategate), where out of thousands, a few inappropriate emails were found and claims of mass conspiracy were claimed.

 

Think about any organization you are in and how hard it is to coordinate anything. That a few flip emails are signs of a mass conspiracy is a stretch.

 

I'm pretty/very happy DWS is gone, she lead over two dramatic beatdowns during a mostly popular presidency

 

But I'll give her some humanity, plus the staff. Part of the Bernie strategy was a lot of "THIS IS RIGGED, DNC IS CORRUPT". That you could get a trove of emails and find that yes, some employees took this personally is unexceptional to me.

 

It doesn't mean you don't punish those that don't do their jobs. Part of their job was to be as neutral as possible. But there's no real clear cut sign that someone occassionally b****ing actually ever acting on it. The "Atheist" email seems like a group annoyed that Sanders was mostly treated uncritically, and if you were coordinating against him, why would you be shocked that he's being treated uncritically.

 

But, the other side of this substance - it's possible we have Russia openly interfering with our election, and that is pretty incredible, not in the good way.

[Buehrle>Wood]

Trying to bring Russian government ties to Trump into the DNC leaks is embarassing at this point. It was a last ditch effort to try and save face with no evidence of anything and even if there was, it doesn't change what was in those emails.

Edited July 25, 2016 by Buehrle>Wood

[Quin]

When are people going to accept the face Democrats are as slimy or more even than Republicans? Out of Hillary and Trump ... I'd rather have Bernie. He got major hosed. It's amazing how fixed the election process is in a country that prides itself on elections.

 

So now the media is jumping on this to get the DNC off the hook ... The Russians leaked the emails to help Trump. Trump is a Rooskie!! Trump will try to be a dictator!!! When the whole story is how it was fixed to destroy Bernie.

Poor Bernie. Had true momentum despite all this bulls*** and still had no chance cause the media ignored his victories and acted like he was an old clown. Shame shame shame.

 

But instead of an investigation ... TRUMP IS THE EVIL ONE. The Russians want him to win cause Trump is evil and will help destroy the USA. Maybe Russia can even take over the USA someday! So elect Hillary!! Such a scam. Poor poor Bernie.

 

Greg, let's start judging you on your private conversations that don't actually prove any rigging. Like, at all.

 

And yeah, the Russians leaked this via an organization led by a rapist-in-exile. Anyone that despises the NSA but worships the ground Wikileaks walks on is a hypocrite to the extreme.

[bmags]

Trying to bring Russia into the DNC leaks is embarassing at this point. It was a last ditch effort to try and save face with no evidence of anything and even if there was, it doesn't change what was in those emails.

 

At the time it happened it said it was by Russia, so this isn't "at this point". But, quick, go ask Manafort if Russia was involved. He'll get an honest answer from Putin.

 

 

 

 

[StrangeSox]

Trying to bring Russian government ties to Trump into the DNC leaks is embarassing at this point. It was a last ditch effort to try and save face with no evidence of anything and even if there was, it doesn't change what was in those emails.

Last ditch effort with no evidence sounds like an accurate summary of how overhyped these emails are?

 

I thought the evidence of it coming from two different Russian state hacker groups was pretty well established. Plus manaforts Russian connections are in the open, and trumps platform shifts that just "happen" to be pro Russian aren't really explained.

 

Eta wikileaks has a show with rt ffs, it's not exactly a stretch to find the Russian ties. Wikileaks hasn't done anything useful ever.

Edited July 25, 2016 by StrangeSox

[bmags]

I'm surprised you aren't pissed at these emails, SS, given how much you also hated DWS. From the sounds of it, I put some of the blame on Obama as it seems DNC in both structure and leadership was lacking and a better structure existed in OFA.

 

But yeah, I'm fine with people being pissed that the DNC had animosity with Sanders. But Sanders also spun any ruling that was not explicitly helping him as a sign of a corrupt organization. As if anything short of changing all rules to favor him was corrupt DNC. That said, weird that the CFO has basically been fine by just saying "Naw I wasn't talking about Sanders I was talking about the other possibly Atheist Jewish surrogate we cannot identify or remember".

[StrangeSox]

Dws was bad at her job and I'm glad she's gone. I supported Bernie but basically ignored the dem primary because both Clinton and Sanders supporters have been insufferable. I'm not shocked Dws did something else that was kinda bad at her job, but at the same time if you're running as an anti establishment candidate you need to be a moron to not expect resistance from said establishment.

 

DNC incompetence is a long running story, see my screen cap above

[bmags]

I block images

 

Clinton likely to nominate Julian Castro. Have to say, I don't know what the game plan is to get that guy to a senate seat, but running the DNC doesn't seem like the leg up to get there.

[GoSox05]

Probably the best thing about Tim Kaine.

 

 

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