2016 Democratic Thread

[Balta1701]

I miss the old days when the kids were left out of things, both by the media and by the politicians.

Well, we do have one candidate who keeps saying he wants to **** his daughter...

[pettie4sox]

Well, we do have one candidate who keeps saying he wants to **** his daughter...

 

That might be one of Trump's better comments fwiw.

[caulfield12]

Assuming this is very typical of a Trump fan (from yahoo comments about a Trump rally with disappointing turnout in Waterloo)...how many Americans really share this viewpoint?

 

 

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AuroraAurora11 minutes ago

I keep hearing about the Bible Belt Christians. What I do not get is that they are not really following the Bible to a Tee they need to read Romans 13:1-7 , James 4:11 about judging one another, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 speaks of false prophets . Cruz if he really believed in God like he is claiming , should know not to be spreading lies about any candidate! If he should win, it needs to be on honesty and for the innocent people who have suffered the most under people like him, who instead of coming together for what is best for all Americans, they choose to push their own agenda. Cruz needs to look in his own mirror and do some self reflection! We have real issues presently affecting all American citizens, like high unemployment, low wages, high cost for health care, or in some cases lack of good healthcare, too many illegals draining our system, high crime, too much homelessness, our federal Government not enforcing our laws to protect the rights of all the Americans, with regards to the 20 million plus illegals! Bring back companies to America who have left because off too much high taxing. I am not stupid to see that all the Politicians who are running have had their chances to do their part, and failed, why would I even contemplate giving them another chance. We need someone who will know how to pay off the 19 trillion dollars debt! We need someone who will stand up for all Americans, and forget about party affiliation, which looks to be the issue of all the corruption that is preexisting in America! Things will never change unless we become Independently open minded to accept change, or else just accept the same status quo, which will continue failing everyone. If you love America, stop allowing the media to influence your vote and look at the facts as they exist!

[greg775]

I miss the old days when the kids were left out of things, both by the media and by the politicians.

I agree but I will say this: Obama's two daughters have not been THAT visible the last eight years. You may disagree with me but I think the media handled the daughters well. Yes they've been on TV some, but they haven't grown up on TV by any means.

[StrangeSox]

Caucuses are dumb, just hold a vote.

[caulfield12]

Caucuses are dumb, just hold a vote.

 

 

It's actually a good lesson in civics and government...I remember being in high school when we tried to lead a Jesse Jackson block in 1988 but we had to give way to Dukakis because you had to get that 15% threshold or join another candidate (basically the same challenge an O'Malley supporter faced coming into tonight). But that was a very crowded field, and much deeper.

 

It was kind of cool that high school and college students had an equal voice and could actually influence older adults if they could argue their case passionately and intelligently.

 

Something unique about the American democracy you don't see anywhere else.

 

 

Sanders within just 3 with 89.5% in, 7 for O'Malley and 1 uncommitted....razor-thin margin no matter how it turns out. The night started out with 3 delegates committed already to Clinton, so she's leading in that race 20-17.

 

No matter how you cut it, huge psychological victory for the Sanders campaign. And he has the donations streaming in to keep fighting theoretically all the way to the Democratic Convention, much like Santorum did in 2012 to Romney (albeit at the end it was clear he had no real chance.)

 

 

TRULY INSPIRATIONAL!!!

 

DES MOINES — The Democratic race remains incredibly close, with Sanders and Clinton separated by less than a point with results still streaming in.

 

But already, the Clinton campaign says that they believe they have won, given the high turnout reported throughout the state.

 

“Turnout is high, which Sanders campaign always said would benefit them. But we believe we have won tonight,” according to a campaign aide.

 

Tonight will be all about setting expectations for both campaigns. If Clinton is able to stave off a Sanders victory — or make it incredibly close — despite elevated turnout, they will declare victory. The Sanders team may call it a win either way.

Edited February 2, 2016 by caulfield12

[greg775]

This is scary about Bernie's Socialism. I don't like Hillary, but Bernie may change the whole system.

 

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4732696573001/g...g#sp=show-clips

[caulfield12]

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/coin-flip-io...-044156528.html

 

Clinton apparently won three coin flips that pushed the election in her favor by just 4 out of 1,396 total. Plus, O'Malley ended up with 8 that probably would have gone to Sanders, arguably.

 

There are rumors she "magically" won all six state-wide coin flips, overall.

 

The odds of that happening are just 1 in 64 or 1.6%. Not the way she wanted to kick off the campaign.

[greg775]

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/coin-flip-io...-044156528.html

 

Clinton apparently won three coin flips that pushed the election in her favor by just 4 out of 1,396 total. Plus, O'Malley ended up with 8 that probably would have gone to Sanders, arguably.

 

There are rumors she "magically" won all six state-wide coin flips, overall.

 

The odds of that happening are just 1 in 64 or 1.6%. Not the way she wanted to kick off the campaign.

This is just absurd, beyond belief. They want us to believe Hillary won all six coin flips. I mean I've heard of scandal, but this is scandal. Hopefully public reaction will make it worse than if Hillary and Bernie Sanders split the flips 3-3. I mean 6-0 Hillary on the coin flips?? Cmon America. Cmon Iowa. Fight a fair fight. Sanders got hosed. The DesMoines newspaper better be a watchdog on this one and get to the bottom of Hillary's domination of coin flips.

[caulfield12]

This is just absurd, beyond belief. They want us to believe Hillary won all six coin flips. I mean I've heard of scandal, but this is scandal. Hopefully public reaction will make it worse than if Hillary and Bernie Sanders split the flips 3-3. I mean 6-0 Hillary on the coin flips?? Cmon America. Cmon Iowa. Fight a fair fight. Sanders got hosed. The DesMoines newspaper better be a watchdog on this one and get to the bottom of Hillary's domination of coin flips.

 

 

If they had split 3-3, it would have been 698 for Sanders, 697 for Clinton.

 

In a way, it works against her, this idea that a "sure thing" months ago now literally comes down to a coin flip when only about 25% of Democrats even believe Sanders can win a general election running as a socialist Democrat/former Communist.

 

Sanders was down by 51% a year ago (56% to 5%), with Elizabeth Warren at 16% and Joe Biden at 9%.

 

Clinton's Iowa campaign manager, Matt Paul, said she had won. "After thorough reporting — and analysis — of results, there is no uncertainty, and Secretary Clinton has clearly won the most national and state delegates," Paul wrote in a statement. "Statistically, there is no outstanding information that could change the results and no way that Sen. Sanders can overcome Secretary Clinton's advantage."

 

But Sanders spokeswoman Rania Batrice noted that one precinct in Polk County remained outstanding, and she said there were questions about the results in several other counties.

 

"We definitely don't feel comfortable yet," she said early Tuesday.

 

State Party Chairwoman Andy McGuire said the results were the closest in Iowa caucus history. "Hillary Clinton has been awarded 699.57 state delegate equivalents, Bernie Sanders has been awarded 695.49 state delegate equivalents, (former Maryland Gov.) Martin O’Malley has been awarded 7.68 state delegate equivalents and uncommitted has been awarded .46 state delegate equivalents," she wrote in a statement about 2:30 a.m. Tuesday. She said the missing Des Moines precinct was worth 2.28 state delegate equivalents.

 

dmregister.com

Edited February 2, 2016 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/new...-flip/79680342/

 

Clinton 6 for 6 in coin flips...1/64 odds of that happening

 

 

 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/02...ts-are-missing/

 

John Wagner ‏@WPJohnWagner 4h4 hours ago

Sanders's camp says that the Iowa Democratic Party has informed the campaigns that the caucus results from 90 precincts are missing.

 

 

CNN reported that the Iowa Democratic Party said it would need to “re-stage” the results of the caucuses in those 90 counties.

 

The Sanders campaign said the Iowa Democratic Party had asked the campaigns to “help them out.”

 

 

https://twitter.com/kylieatwood/status/694401330169819136

 

 

And per Iowa Democratic Party official: The reports of precincts without chairs are inaccurate. (Looks like the Democratic Party wanted to kill that story, which honestly might have been misunderstood/misconstrued by a Sanders staffer...)

 

 

DP --> (h/t: @hannahfc)

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Edited February 2, 2016 by caulfield12

[RockRaines]

I decided to watch it. That was a huge mistake. Did you actually watch that video?

 

Aside from raises taxes on the 1%, when did they even bring up what Sanders is standing for? Fox News continues to use the word "socialism" because people don't understand it and are scared by it, it's a buzz word.

 

What did they actually say in that video? What did you take from it? It's incredible that in 6 and a half minutes, they could actually say nothing. Socialist media? REALLY?

The whole point of that video is to prey on the uninformed. It's crap.

[Brian]

Videos or articles from Fox News don't belong in the democratic thread.

[GoSox05]

This is scary about Bernie's Socialism. I don't like Hillary, but Bernie may change the whole system.

 

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4732696573001/g...g#sp=show-clips

 

I was hoping they would drop a Lenin or Stalin reference in that video.

 

[StrangeSox]

It's actually a good lesson in civics and government...I remember being in high school when we tried to lead a Jesse Jackson block in 1988 but we had to give way to Dukakis because you had to get that 15% threshold or join another candidate (basically the same challenge an O'Malley supporter faced coming into tonight). But that was a very crowded field, and much deeper.

 

Nah it's dumb, needlessly complex, and disenfranchises anyone who can't make it to a physical location at a specific time on a specific day for an extended period of dealing with people trying to badger you on how to vote. And then it literally comes down to flipping a coin.

 

Just hold a secret ballot primary.

[bmags]

Just because something is obscure doesn't make it good, it just makes it novel. The caucuses are ridiculous which is why we of course give them so much prominence.

 

I honestly don't buy that last night was good for Sanders. In 2008 Obama didn't just narrowly beat Hillary, she showed in 3rd place and Obama led the field by 8 points, when she was already polling behind in NH and tight in SC.

 

Hillary now gets the "she won iowa" buzz even if delegate wise its a wash. Hillary's campaign is much better now. I mean, looking back its amazing how inept her campaign was which was a big reason it snowballed. They didn't know primaries weren't winner take all. They had lanny davis and Terry Mccullough on tv every day saying something dumb. She's much more disciplined now.

[bmags]

Also, I have to say I'm almost disappointed Trump lost. I really don't see Cruz as any more "serious" and it's not like he hasn't peddled the same anti-immigration, anti-muslim nonsense trump has. At least with trump there was a feeling that he may actually make moderate dealings.

[cabiness42]

Just because something is obscure doesn't make it good, it just makes it novel. The caucuses are ridiculous which is why we of course give them so much prominence.

 

I honestly don't buy that last night was good for Sanders. In 2008 Obama didn't just narrowly beat Hillary, she showed in 3rd place and Obama led the field by 8 points, when she was already polling behind in NH and tight in SC.

 

Hillary now gets the "she won iowa" buzz even if delegate wise its a wash. Hillary's campaign is much better now. I mean, looking back its amazing how inept her campaign was which was a big reason it snowballed. They didn't know primaries weren't winner take all. They had lanny davis and Terry Mccullough on tv every day saying something dumb. She's much more disciplined now.

 

Bernie couldn't win a super-white state like Iowa. That's why he's going to have problems when they get to southern states. Polls show Hillary has the black vote locked up. Very ironic that Hillary is going to win the nomination largely due to states that she won't win in November. What an odd system for picking candidates.

[StrangeSox]

I think what Bernie supporters are hoping for is what happened in 2008. Going into the Iowa caucuses, Obama wasn't necessarily seen as a "serious" candidate, and Hillary had the votes "locked up" in many states, including the black vote. Once Obama made a couple of strong showings, though, things started to really shift in his favor. It also helped that Clinton's campaign apparently didn't understand how delegates were actually awarded.

 

But Obama won Iowa by 8 points in 2008 and Clinton finished 3rd. Bernie's going to crush it in NH, but I think Clinton has this locked up by Super Tuesday.

 

Your point about choosing the nominee heavily on states the party won't even win in the general is another mark against the Electoral College in my opinion. If we had a national popular vote, those Democratic votes in South Carolina and the Republican votes in Illinois would still matter.

[cabiness42]

I think what Bernie supporters are hoping for is what happened in 2008. Going into the Iowa caucuses, Obama wasn't necessarily seen as a "serious" candidate, and Hillary had the votes "locked up" in many states, including the black vote. Once Obama made a couple of strong showings, though, things started to really shift in his favor. It also helped that Clinton's campaign apparently didn't understand how delegates were actually awarded.

 

But Obama won Iowa by 8 points in 2008 and Clinton finished 3rd. Bernie's going to crush it in NH, but I think Clinton has this locked up by Super Tuesday.

 

Your point about choosing the nominee heavily on states the party won't even win in the general is another mark against the Electoral College in my opinion. If we had a national popular vote, those Democratic votes in South Carolina and the Republican votes in Illinois would still matter.

 

Hillary was so super-popular with blacks in 2008 (and still is), only an actual black person could beat her. Bernie is not going to get the same momentum that Obama did.

[Jenksismyhero]

I think what Bernie supporters are hoping for is what happened in 2008. Going into the Iowa caucuses, Obama wasn't necessarily seen as a "serious" candidate, and Hillary had the votes "locked up" in many states, including the black vote. Once Obama made a couple of strong showings, though, things started to really shift in his favor. It also helped that Clinton's campaign apparently didn't understand how delegates were actually awarded.

 

But Obama won Iowa by 8 points in 2008 and Clinton finished 3rd. Bernie's going to crush it in NH, but I think Clinton has this locked up by Super Tuesday.

 

Your point about choosing the nominee heavily on states the party won't even win in the general is another mark against the Electoral College in my opinion. If we had a national popular vote, those Democratic votes in South Carolina and the Republican votes in Illinois would still matter.

 

Yeah but that's benefit of the EC. You have 10-15 states that collectively don't have the population of the top 3, so why would politicians waste their time campaigning in those sparsely populated states? They wouldn't. They'd focus on California, Texas, New York, etc.

Edited February 2, 2016 by Jenksismybitch

[RockRaines]

Bernie couldn't win a super-white state like Iowa. That's why he's going to have problems when they get to southern states. Polls show Hillary has the black vote locked up. Very ironic that Hillary is going to win the nomination largely due to states that she won't win in November. What an odd system for picking candidates.

I dont think Hillary has any minority voting locked up. Bernie's policies and history are much friendlier to minorities.

[cabiness42]

I dont think Hillary has any minority voting locked up. Bernie's policies and history are much friendlier to minorities.

 

Not sure that message is getting through. Look at the polling.

[RockRaines]

Not sure that message is getting through. Look at the polling.

Long way to go. I havent been asked and either have most of the younger voting groups that dont have land lines for people to hit up for polling. Lots of factors here before it really matters.

[bmags]

I think what Bernie supporters are hoping for is what happened in 2008. Going into the Iowa caucuses, Obama wasn't necessarily seen as a "serious" candidate, and Hillary had the votes "locked up" in many states, including the black vote. Once Obama made a couple of strong showings, though, things started to really shift in his favor. It also helped that Clinton's campaign apparently didn't understand how delegates were actually awarded.

 

But Obama won Iowa by 8 points in 2008 and Clinton finished 3rd. Bernie's going to crush it in NH, but I think Clinton has this locked up by Super Tuesday.

 

Your point about choosing the nominee heavily on states the party won't even win in the general is another mark against the Electoral College in my opinion. If we had a national popular vote, those Democratic votes in South Carolina and the Republican votes in Illinois would still matter.

 

I mean, I guess I like that it gets some attention to local democratic party politics in those states to be a part of the events, but that's it. 2008 theoretically should have been a great jumping off point for local dem races but man did that not happen.