2016 Democratic Thread

[southsider2k5]

So, standing up to bigotry = riding the PR train.

 

Good. I wish more people would ride that train.

 

When you see a story like Charleston Southern on one day (most of which minorities BTW) , and then this the next, yeah, it is pretty easy to question the motives of the NCAA>

[Balta1701]

When you see a story like Charleston Southern on one day, and then this the next, yeah, it is pretty easy to question the motives of the NCAA>

Great.

 

So let's criticize them when they do the wrong thing and give them credit when they do the right thing, not ignore them when they do the wrong thing and then question their motives when they do the right thing.

[southsider2k5]

Great.

 

So let's criticize them when they do the wrong thing and give them credit when they do the right thing, not ignore them when they do the wrong thing and then question their motives when they do the right thing.

 

Eh, doing the right thing for the wrong reasons isn't really that admirable.

[Jenksismyhero]

Great.

 

So let's criticize them when they do the wrong thing and give them credit when they do the right thing, not ignore them when they do the wrong thing and then question their motives when they do the right thing.

 

This is sort of like praising Assange for releasing documents exposing corruption because, hey, that's a good thing! You're ignoring (1) everything else they've done, and (2) their actual motivation for doing it. You really think the NCAA cares about transgendered people?

Edited September 13, 2016 by JenksIsMyHero

[Balta1701]

Eh, doing the right thing for the wrong reasons isn't really that admirable.

I'll take it. I wish more places and people would do the right thing even if for the wrong reasons. Make "doing the right thing" seem normal, not out of place, and we wouldn't have to deal with bigoted crap like this in the first place.

[Big Hurtin]

South Park actually did a decent job on this two years ago:

I find it funny because there is so much overlap between these people and gun rights folks. Basically, gun control will only hurt legal gun owners. Couldn't the same be said here, that perverts will still be perverts regardless of laws?

[southsider2k5]

I'll take it. I wish more places and people would do the right thing even if for the wrong reasons. Make "doing the right thing" seem normal, not out of place, and we wouldn't have to deal with bigoted crap like this in the first place.

 

So why is it different for whistleblowers and governmental corruption?

[bmags]

I find this very funny for some reason:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archiv...denmark/497543/

[caulfield12]

I'll take it. I wish more places and people would do the right thing even if for the wrong reasons. Make "doing the right thing" seem normal, not out of place, and we wouldn't have to deal with bigoted crap like this in the first place.

 

See all the multiple options Lincoln looked at first for dealing with the slavery issue, including sending slaves back to Africa...

[StrangeSox]

Campaign Trollbama out in force today, gonna miss this guy.

[greg775]

See all the multiple options Lincoln looked at first for dealing with the slavery issue, including sending slaves back to Africa...

I read about it after your post. Amazing that Mr. Lincoln did indeed meet with former slaves asking if they'd move to Africa saying the two races will never get along.

[StrangeSox]

The Fiery Trial is a great book on Lincoln's views throughout his life

[StrangeSox]

By the way here is more insanity on the trump foundation:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how...db62_story.html

 

Fahrenholdt has been doing pretty difficult but classic journalistic legwork.

 

Very interesting stuff here:

First, he stopped giving his own money.

 

His contribution shrank to $35,000 in 2007.

 

Then to $30,000 in 2008.

 

Then to $0.

 

At the same time, Trump’s foundation began to fill with money from other people.

 

But in many other cases, his biggest donors have not wanted to say why they gave their own money, when Trump was giving none of his.

 

“I don’t have time for this. Thank you,” said Richard Ebers, a ticket broker in New York City who has given the Trump Foundation $1.9 million since 2011.

 

“No. No. No. I’m not going to comment on anything. I’m not answering any of your questions,” said John Stark, the chief executive of a carpet company that has donated $64,000 over the years.

 

Vince and Linda McMahon declined to comment.

NY AG opening an investigation into the Trump Foundation

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-elect...nprofit-n647896

[bmags]

I didn't do a very good job showing that was the authors writing and not my own in that post. Going to edit now, but won't fix in SS.

[StrangeSox]

trump campaign backpedalling on revelaing his medical records with Dr. Oz makes me wonder if his most recent physical results were not so hot. Part of the reason I didn't think clinton's stumble was going to matter more than a few days.

[StrangeSox]

NYT is hot garbage

 

 

Simon Maloy ‏@SimonMaloy 2h2 hours ago

you have the GOP presidential candidate dead to rights in a flagrant lie, and

[bmags]

What do you find so corrupt aobut these documents. They were also dumped ten hours ago, were not emails, and was a big file. More personal donor info, though. Really hard to prevent, obviously.

[Quin]

Told my friend that this revealed donors and fundraisers got ambassador appointments.

 

"So...how it's always been done?" Said friend grew up conservative, is now a moderate left.

[southsider2k5]

Told my friend that this revealed donors and fundraisers got ambassador appointments.

 

"So...how it's always been done?" Said friend grew up conservative, is now a moderate left.

 

It makes you wonder who did Blago piss off.

[bmags]

It makes you wonder who did Blago piss off.

 

I mean, everyone.

 

But difference between rewarding campaign supporters and explicitly extorting them.

 

That said, I have never really felt like they proved the case against blago. That no sums or anything were discussed, I do feel like the "I've got this thing and it's gold" is not enough. BUt, oh well, glad he went to jail. If not for this, would have been taken down with rezko likely.

[southsider2k5]

I mean, everyone.

 

But difference between rewarding campaign supporters and explicitly extorting them.

 

That said, I have never really felt like they proved the case against blago. That no sums or anything were discussed, I do feel like the "I've got this thing and it's gold" is not enough. BUt, oh well, glad he went to jail. If not for this, would have been taken down with rezko likely.

 

If the reward is implicit in the agreement, not really. I know Rod's big mistake was making a clear and public suggestion to make it obvious, versus the usual, wink-wink stuff that goes on here.

 

 

[bmags]

If the reward is implicit in the agreement, not really. I know Rod's big mistake was making a clear and public suggestion to make it obvious, versus the usual, wink-wink stuff that goes on here.

 

There's no real qualification for ambassador though. Had it just been an Obama bundler going to ISrael that would be a big deal, but, throughout history we've had a lot of interesting ambassadors.

 

I don't know, I don't find ambassadorships to bundlers corrupt. Question now is whether ambassadors are needed at all.

[Soxbadger]

Blago was just an idiot. I mean he barely even knew how to use a computer (watch the episodes of the Apprentice he was in). That being said I think his problem is that other people in the state didnt like him and it was an easy opportunity to go after him.

 

I think there is also the risk factor. When you give a presidential candidate a lot of money there is no guarantee that they will win. So its seen more as a "reward" for helping. Where as if you paid Blago it was a guarantee.

Edited September 14, 2016 by Soxbadger

[StrangeSox]

"Ambassadorships have always been patronage positions" isn't muddying the waters, it's stating reality.

[StrangeSox]

ACC pulls their championships out of NC, following the NCAA's move.