2016 Democratic Thread

[StrangeSox]

Just requested my vote-by-mail ballot since I might be out of town for work on election day. Early voting starts in Minnesota and South Dakota on Friday, so the election will actually be under way pretty soon.

[StrangeSox]

The House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform is a bipartisan committee but don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.

 

Yes, and since Republicans currently hold the majority in the House, they control these committees and what they do and what sort of hearings they hold. These committees don't function as impartial bipartisan groups e.g. a dozen Benghazi committees with some of the Republicans on those committees stating explicitly that their goals were to hurt Clinton politically.

 

But hey, don't let how the government actually functions and has for decades (forever?) get in the way of your lame sniping again.

Edited September 20, 2016 by StrangeSox

[Quin]

The House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform is a bipartisan committee but don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.

 

25-18 in favor of Republicans with a Republican chair.

 

It'd be like calling the current congress a Republican congress. Technically correct, because we all know that majority party rules.

[shysocks]

The Oversight Committee's twitter handle is @GOPoversight.

[Quin]

Thanks for the government lessons. There are two different Republican House Committees. The one in this discussion is not a Republican house committee. In fact, other than Chaffetz, the individual asking HRC's lackeys the most questions in these hearings is (D) Elijah Cummings.

 

I said technically correct. Jesus.

[StrangeSox]

Thanks for the government lessons. There are two different Republican House Committees. The one in this discussion is not a Republican house committee. In fact, other than Chaffetz, the individual asking HRC's lackeys the most questions in these hearings is (D) Elijah Cummings.

 

Yes, because he's the ranking Democrat. That's how House panels work. Republicans still control this committee and what it does. If you don't recognize that all House and Senate committees are not actually neutral but are in fact partisan and controlled by the party with the majority, you really do need a rudimentary lesson on how Congress functions. Saying that that committee is "bipartisan" is like saying the House is bipartisan and that the legislative agenda isn't controlled entirely by the current Speaker. That's simply not how these things work, and pointing out that Democrats sit on the committee doesn't some how change my "narrative"/statement of fact that the committee in question is controlled by Republicans.

 

Anyway, that's really all just a divergence from the main point which was that DB believes that Chaffetz "proved" Clinton was guilty of a whole bunch of crimes when he did no such thing, and some of the evidence DB keeps bringing up of Clinton's "crimes" (Huma and the IT guy having access to a server which was not a classified info server) dooesn't even make sense and dooesn't point to any crime having been committed.

[StrangeSox]

Do you even read the bulls*** links you post? Hanna, the guy who gave the quotes your article was written about, is not on the committee as you suggest. Seems like you have already edited that out of your post. You must have actually read the article after posting your headline it as the article reads, "Hanna, who is not a member of the committee." He was also the first GOP Congressman to support HRC. No wonder why CNN goes to him for a quote.

 

I didn't edit anything out of my post, I changed some messed up line spacing. That whole ordeal started with Kevin McCarthy who did say explicitly that they wanted to hurt her poll numbers, as was mentioned in the article.

[StrangeSox]

Not sure why you're saying Jesus. You did a google search to find out the breakdown of the oversight committee and then stated the obvious. I think everyone here understands the the way bipartisanship works in practice.

 

That's not what bipartisanship means, and that's not how Congress functions.

 

[bmags]

Do you even read the bulls*** links you post? Hanna, the guy who gave the quotes your article was written about, is not on the committee as you suggest. Seems like you have already edited that out of your post. You must have actually read the article after posting your headline it as the article reads, "Hanna, who is not a member of the committee." He was also the first GOP Congressman to support HRC. No wonder why CNN goes to him for a quote.

 

The article was about what Kevin McCarthy said, McCarthy is the house majority leader of the GOP. He did not get speaker because of the comments that were discussed in the article.

[caulfield12]

Cummings is also the one who called it a witch hunt, waste of millions of tax dollars, political sideshow meant to bring down Hillary in an election year, etc. Just because there are Dems on the committee who participate in questioning doesn't affect its highly partisan nature.

 

A bipartisan committee is ones like they typically announce about tax code reform or getting government to work more efficiently, and almost nothing ever comes out of them...where there is almost always equal representation of the two parties, but they have little real power, certainly in a legislative or legal sense.

[StrangeSox]

They found the Donald Trump painting that Donald Trump paid $20k for through the Donald J. Trump Foundation

https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/7783...src=twsrc%5Etfw

 

Allegedly it's at his Doral golf club in Florida, which probably means the purchase of it through his charitable foundation to be used in a for-profit enterprise is not okay.

Edited September 21, 2016 by StrangeSox

[StrangeSox]

This is the rhetorical origin of the "Skittles" nonsense that Donald Trump Jr. and the KKK are pedaling and the campaign isn't disavowing with respect to refugees:

 

 

The man who wrote that was hanged at Nuremberg.

[greg775]

Interesting. A lotta people dislike Hillary.

 

[caulfield12]

A LOTTA people disliked Truman for most of his presidency (JFK, too), he always suffered from comparisons with the much more sophisticated FDR, but he turned out to be one of our better presidents, in terms of the judgement of history.

 

There's never been a president with close to the initial unfavorable ratings of either Clinton or Trump...and Trump ALWAYS trails Clinton in his category, with at least an additional 5-10% finding him even more deplorable.

Edited September 21, 2016 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/polit...orrupt/?ref=yfp

 

The Real Problem with the Clinton Foundation

[Soxbadger]

Former President of the Hatian Senate says HRC defrauded the people of Haiti.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phKO2T2pMjM

 

Did you actually watch it? He claims that in 1994 Bill Clinton tried to bribe him And that the "Clinton Foundation" misappropriated funds designated for Haiti. The problem with attributing this to Hillary is that Hillary was not even part of the "Clinton Foundation" at this time. Haiti occurred in 2010, Hillary did not join until 2013.

 

So even if we are to believe every word he said, none of it involves Hillary. The bigger problem is that everything he has said about the Clinton Foundation has been fact checked numerous times and no one can figure out where he is coming from.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-ch...as-never-built/

 

For example, the USAID inspector general found delays in the $99 million reconstruction of medical facilities and medical supply warehouses through the Health Infrastructure Program. This program included the $82.3 million construction of the country’s key public hospital, the Hospital of the State University of Haiti in Port-au-Prince, one of the first projects that the Interim Haiti Recovery Commission approved. But the project is backed by money from the U.S. government, Haiti and France — not the Clinton Foundation.

 

There’s a lot of criticism lodged against the Clintons for their involvement with recovery efforts in Haiti. But Cohen’s claim that Hillary Clinton raised hundreds of millions of dollars through the Clinton Foundation for a hospital that was never delivered is not credible.

 

 

But yeah, believe the guy who blamed the US for his failed coup in 1982.

 

http://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/02/04/Ber.../6577381646800/

 

'I accuse the U.S. State Department of aborting our invasion of Haiti, of interference in our domestic affairs,' Sansaricq told the Fort Lauderdale News. 'The only support we don't have is the United States government.'

 

Sansaricq, a Fort Lauderdale gas station owner and leader of the Haitian exile group, said his carefully orchestrated invasion would have succeeded if his band of guerrillas had not been arrested on the high seas by the Coast Guard.

 

And dont misinterpret this as support for Hillary or Clinton, this merely just my personal hate for lazy fact checking.

Edited September 21, 2016 by Soxbadger

[Quin]

Did you actually watch it? He claims that in 1994 Bill Clinton tried to bribe him And that the "Clinton Foundation" misappropriated funds designated for Haiti. The problem with attributing this to Hillary is that Hillary was not even part of the "Clinton Foundation" at this time. Haiti occurred in 2010, Hillary did not join until 2013.

 

So even if we are to believe every word he said, none of it involves Hillary. The bigger problem is that everything he has said about the Clinton Foundation has been fact checked numerous times and no one can figure out where he is coming from.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-ch...as-never-built/

 

 

 

 

 

 

But yeah, believe the guy who blamed the US for his failed coup in 1982.

 

http://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/02/04/Ber.../6577381646800/

 

 

 

And dont misinterpret this as support for Hillary or Clinton, this merely just my personal hate for lazy fact checking.

 

That last paragraph you quoted is a f***ing roller coaster

[Soxbadger]

I didn't go on some long post about it. The guy said what I said he did. I didn't make any claims about the Clinton foundation or HRC. Just posted the link with a sentence on what the guy said.

 

"But yeah, believe the guy who blamed the US for his failed coup in 1982." - I sense sarcasm here. I'm not sure why. The USA has a long history of sticking their nose where it doesn't belong militarily. Particularly when it comes to regime change. I don't know the particulars of this case, but they sure have f***ed up plenty in the ME and in South America.

 

When you post something, you take ownership of the facts that are in the post. If I link something thats not credible, that hurts my credibility. If you post something not credible, it hurts your credibility.

 

If you are okay with that, so am I. And perhaps read the article that I linked from 1982 and perhaps you will see why the guy in the Youtube video may not be the most credible person in the world. Again, he is claiming that Bill Richardson through Clinton attempted to bribe him. This is something that he made a big issue in his campaign for House of Representatives.

 

 

 

 

[Soxbadger]

Since I had nothing better to learn about today I decided to find out who Bernard Sansaricq was. So it appears all of his hate towards Clinton stems back to the early 90's when Jean-Bertrand Aristide was elected President. After he was elected President, there was a military coup that replaced him. The US/UN backed Aristide. As part of Clinton's campaign he promised to restore Aristide as President of Haiti, in 1994 US troops assisted Aristide in returning to power.

 

Bernard Sansaricq was elected in 1990 (the same year as Aristide) and supported the coup.

 

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-05-12/new...0_1_white-house

 

I am not familiar enough with Hatian politics to make any real comments on whether Aristide was a good or bad guy, whether the coup was a good or bad thing. That being said, it does appear he has a long grudge (legitimate or not) against the Clinton's that is based in Aristide's return to power.

 

There is some stuff here:

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=XLvU9lroR...iti&f=false

 

About how Sansaricq may not have even been the President of the Senate as he was appointed by the military and another man, Firmin Jean-Loius, did not relinquish his title and was still recognized by the international community. I cant really find what happened after the govt returned in exile, but the book I quoted above states those elected 1993 were replaced by the exiled legislators. That would imply that Sansaricq may have lost his Senate seat.

 

I tried to do some research on any times he mentioned the bribe prior to his congressional campaign, here is the only article that predates his congressional campaign that I can find.

 

http://www.csmonitor.com/1993/0805/05071.html

 

One of his colleagues, Senator Bernard Sansaricq, who has switched camps numerous times and has allegedly been bribed back to the Alliance bloc, has gone after Senator Jean. Mr. Sansaricq accuses the Anti-Corruption bloc of kidnapping Jean.

 

It seems the "clinton bribe" started to come out in 2008-2010 when Sansaricq began contemplating a run as a US congressman.

 

 

 

 

 

[StrangeSox]

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump

Mitt Romney didn't show his tax return until SEPTEMBER 21, 2012, and then only after being humiliated by Harry R! A bad messenger for estab!

9:47 AM - 28 Feb 2016

 

(Harry R also blasted Trump on the floor of the Senate Monday)

 

The NYT editorial board also put out a pretty scathing article today on Trump's "Stupid Excuses" for not releasing his taxes.

Edited September 21, 2016 by StrangeSox

[Quin]

[StrangeSox]

Full-blown white nativism from Trump today:

 

Ben Jacobs ✔ @Bencjacobs

Trump says limiting admission of refugees to the US is "not just a matter of terrorism but a matter of quality of life"

11:46 AM - 21 Sep 2016

 

Maggie Haberman ✔ @maggieNYT

"American hands will rebuild" the country, "not the hands of people from other countries," Trump says.

12:14 PM - 21 Sep 2016

 

He also proposed nation-wide stop-and-frisk policing.

[Jerksticks]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationw...0920-story.html

 

Obama to spend 2 days a week campaigning for HRC. Hopefully this is coming from his golf schedule...

 

Dude ain't giving up the golf

[Soxbadger]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationw...0920-story.html

 

Obama to spend 2 days a week campaigning for HRC. Hopefully this is coming from his golf schedule...

 

Congress made it clear they don't want him working. Won't even vote on his supreme court nominee.

 

Funny part is 4-4 means lower court stands and a lot of appellate courts lean left.

 

Unintended consequences ates my favorite.

 

[greg775]

I told u her crowd in Kansas City was so small people were SHOCKED.

I guess ditto at Temple. Sounds like these two candidates are soooo unpopular.

 

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/sm...ple-university/