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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 03:00 PM)
It took $50k to win the Mayor's office in my town of 30k people.

 

Whoa. I know the local races I'm aware of around here aren't that expensive, but it's still thousands of dollars. Mostly it's money spent on leaflets, door hangers/brouchers and yard signs while the "campaign staff" is friends and family you harass to help you.

 

That's where party politics can "help" (depending on your views) at the local level. It's easy for local Democrats or Republicans to pool their resources together and have one brochure with everyone's name on it and the top-line issues rather than every individual going it alone. So when I'm canvassing for my relative, I'm also helping several other people running and vice versa for their volunteers.

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QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 03:40 PM)
That's a fair point but I certainly don't have time to understand those issues nor do I have the desire to. So if you're one of the few people who care, it means more to you. I'm of the 99% that doesn't.

 

 

I said absolutely nothing about women at all but that doesn't matter to his shameless and despicable efforts to malign. Name-calling and trying to get a ruse out of me is a lot easier than articulating a point. Reddy is a troll who I have to ignore. Given his rap sheet of trolling and personal attacks over the years it's a coin toss he'll make it to the election without getting banned for good.

 

C'mon dude. In no world am I a troll, but I WILL troll you when you're ridiculous. Distinction. And no one called you any names. And as for my "rap sheet" you haven't been here for most of it, so please. That horse is looking awfully high.

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"I speak for the lurkers!"

 

I was saying that people who obsess over national politics and dive into that minutia to the point where they know obscure people who lost 3rd party nominations are while ignoring everything else are lazy and ignorant, not that everyone who ignores local politics (which is unfortunately most people!) are. I hope was making that pretty clear.

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I happen to think Michele Obama seems like a pretty cool lady.

 

I also think I don't care, politically, about first spouses. Just doesn't register as politically important to me.

 

Well, except when Tipper Gore decided she wanted to censor ALL THE FILTH (and she was more of a 2nd spouse anyway).

 

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QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 02:35 PM)
HRC being a better candidate than Donald Trump adds nothing to her allure as a candidate.

 

 

I never did what you claim with the bolded. My parents vote. My grandparents had voted in every election when they were alive. I don't feel the need to waste my time voting when the state I live in is a foregone conclusion.

 

The rest of your post is all over the place and a task to respond to. I am not sure why you and many others think the government is out here trying to save children. Sure it happens, but like Napoleon said, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

 

Something happened during the 1984/1988 elections where the funding elections and money in politics started to blow up. Both parties ended up sucking the tit of the powers traditional liberals used to hate. The banks, wall street, the military complex, etc. Past that, the liberals went so far left that their popular opinions aren't capitalistic or anywhere near in line with the idea of government this country was founded on. This has led to the expansion of government, more ugly foreign affair efforts and a smaller middle class yet the Democrats still scream for more government. With the history of human beings as my basis, it probably won't end in our favor.

 

Something happened during the 1984/1988 elections where the funding elections and money in politics started to blow up. Both parties ended up sucking the tit of the powers traditional liberals used to hate. The banks, wall street, the military complex, etc. Past that, the liberals went so far left that their popular opinions aren't capitalistic or anywhere near in line with the idea of government this country was founded on. This has led to the expansion of government, more ugly foreign affair efforts and a smaller middle class yet the Democrats still scream for more government. With the history of human beings as my basis, it probably won't end in our favor.

 

The rest of your post is all over the place and a task to respond to.

 

Starting with the DLC of the 90s the dems moved way to the center and are frankly still pretty center left compared to the 60s and 70s. The 60s were a much more liberal time period where things like the guaranteed wage were seriously discussed. Little did they know they were much more in line with the founding fathers view of the country than after 84, where they were just sucking the teets of the banks and military, something they certainly knew nothing about in the heart of the cold war.

 

Funny story about the founding fathers. When they met in Philadelphia to draft the amend the Articles of Confederacy, they dictated the meeting be private. And crazier, many privately thought the new constitution would fail within 20 years but still voted for it because it was better than they currently had. Weird how that works out sometimes.

 

 

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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 04:05 PM)
Thats nuts. Its always pay to play regardless of how small I guess.

It's not so much "pay to play" as organizing a political campaign, engaging voters, paying consultants, and so on costs money.

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QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 03:17 PM)
McConnell says Obama didn't communicate consequences of 9/11 bill

 

IT WAS THE REASON HE VETOED IT, YOU STUPID SON OF A b****. HE TOLD YOU OVER AND OVER.

 

lol goddamn that is rich

 

“Everybody was aware of who the potential beneficiaries were but no one had really focused on the potential downside in terms of our international relationships. And I think it was just a ball dropped,” McConnell said. “I hate to blame everything on him and I don’t, [but] it would have been helpful if we had a discussion about this much earlier than the last week.”

 

seriously why does McConnell think Obama vetoed it? Just to be a dick?

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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 03:05 PM)
Thats nuts. Its always pay to play regardless of how small I guess.

 

When I ran for school board the 2nd time the woman I ran against spent $6k. She spent more by herself than the entire other 12 candidates combined for the all four open seats.

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QUOTE (shysocks @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 04:24 PM)
LOL, if we didn't already have proof that they can blame Obama for literally anything, we have it now.

McConnell had a strategy - do absolutely nothing, or at least do as little as he can possibly get away with doing, then blame it on Obama. It worked, because he wouldn't be majority leader right now if it didn't.

 

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 03:18 PM)
When I ran for school board the 2nd time the woman I ran against spent $6k. She spent more by herself than the entire other 12 candidates combined for the all four open seats.

Jesus. I'd rather take a trip to Hawaii

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QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 03:18 PM)
There are without a doubt people on here that don't post what interests them politically because they know you, bmags and another random poster or two will gangbang them before they can even respond to the first retort.

 

I wasn't aware I "obsess" over national politics for listening to a few podcasts while I commute and keeping up with the news.

 

You certainly know how to drum up a slew of caveats to castrate your formerly offensive post. You'd be great in politics.

 

"Are you a Democrat that gets riled up over those War-Mongering Conservatives? Or are you a Republican upset with the way Obama and company are running the White House? Well this is the forum for you to rant, rave and try to enlighten.

 

Warning: This forum is not for the faint of heart. Do not come in here if you're not willing to, at times, get into heated arguments."

 

 

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 03:40 PM)
I spent under $500, as did almost everyone else. The problem is it only takes one.

 

And you won right?

 

I covered school board in columbia, and at the time 2 won having raised 8k and 6k. But really what that signified was the two big civic groups had donated 5k to each of the candidates they chose and surprise! They won.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 03:42 PM)
And you won right?

 

I covered school board in columbia, and at the time 2 won having raised 8k and 6k. But really what that signified was the two big civic groups had donated 5k to each of the candidates they chose and surprise! They won.

 

I lost. Took 2nd in a 4 person race, losing to the person that spent $6k by about 10 percentage points. I did beat the incumbant.

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I have to imagine that just getting your name out there in a local race and even just reminding people "hey there's an election this April" (or whatever non-Presidential year you're running in) matters a lot more than campaign spending for federal offices, at least on a vote-per-dollar basis. That's where even a small amount of funding for signs, ads in local papers, local events, etc. can really help.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 03:44 PM)
I lost. Took 2nd in a 4 person race, losing to the person that spent $6k by about 10 percentage points. I did beat the incumbant.

 

Ah, sorry. I thought you had held a seat, but maybe that was the story.

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QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 04:18 PM)
There are without a doubt people on here that don't post what interests them politically because they know you, bmags and another random poster or two will gangbang them before they can even respond to the first retort.

 

I wasn't aware I "obsess" over national politics for listening to a few podcasts while I commute and keeping up with the news.

 

You certainly know how to drum up a slew of caveats to castrate your formerly offensive post. You'd be great in politics.

Um... most of the mods lean conservative, and as such, I've been gangbanged on numerous occasions yet still post my "bs", so.... the martyr card doesn't totally work for ya bud.

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QUOTE (shysocks @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 04:24 PM)
LOL, if we didn't already have proof that they can blame Obama for literally anything, we have it now.

THAT is incredible. Hahahahaha has there ever been a more inept congress that will, at probably a 90+% rate all keep their jobs?

 

#murica

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