RockRaines Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 11:47 AM) On the other hand, Ryan just announced that he's hitting the campaign trail with Trump. I dont think its to support him IMO. Obviously pushing their agenda is a lot easier with Trump in the WH, but I still think winning congress is more important to him (Ryan). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Oh most definitely, but it's harder to separate yourself from Trump when you keep supporting him like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 12:08 PM) Oh most definitely, but it's harder to separate yourself from Trump when you keep supporting him like that. He's eyeing slipping their legislation through budgetary loophole and then running for president in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (brett05 @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 07:45 AM) I'd but Roe v Wade there. The overturn on Prop 8 (though personally I think marriage should be left out of the government completely no matter how it is defined) Roe vs Wade is old, like were any of the current justices involved in that decision? The government has business with marriage as long as people benefit from it. If you eliminate the benefits of being married, then yes, they should not have a say in it. Do you have any additional cases? I agree about the Obamacare mandate being bad. Edited October 6, 2016 by pettie4sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 01:11 PM) He's eyeing slipping their legislation through budgetary loophole and then running for president in 2020. Paul Ryan is a phony and a political coward, but he will absolutely get a pass for this and get to keep the "thoughtful, earnest conservative" label no matter what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 12:28 PM) Paul Ryan is a phony and a political coward, but he will absolutely get a pass for this and get to keep the "thoughtful, earnest conservative" label no matter what happens. BUT HE DOES P90X!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) He's such a policy wonk! *produces budget with fantasy numbers copy- pasted from the heritage foundation that results in sub 2% unemployment * *skips leg day* Edited October 6, 2016 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 10:19 AM) Dude said basically that this segment is supposed to be funny and people need to lighten up. This is why the vast majority of comedians aren't conservative, save for the occasional Larry the Cable Guy or unfunny Dennis Miller. Basically, we're at a point where Asian people are the easy targets for jokes because they don't fight back (usually) but also largely due to the perception they're better off economically, test scores-wise/IQ, etc., than whites, so it's harmless. It's okay to make fun of those on top, regardless of their past history in the US. For an example, the Academy Awards gag with the three Asian kids. Never in a million years could Chris Rock get away with using three Hispanic, Native American or even white kids as props in a joke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 The Tampa Bay Times with a timely endorsement of Clinton filled with many charts illustrating how things have improved under Obama http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials...esident/2296789 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 10:55 AM) The Tampa Bay Times with a timely endorsement of Clinton filled with many charts illustrating how things have improved under Obama http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials...esident/2296789 PAGING GREG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett05 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 11:13 AM) Correct, scientific polls of actual people typically don't reach the totals of online polls that can be answered repeatedly by the same person over and over, or bots. For which there is no evidence of "stuffing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett05 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 11:04 AM) yess yesssssssssss unskew Unskew UNSKEW those polls! brett do you follow Bill Mitchell on twitter? Seems like he'd be right up your alley re: polls I do not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett05 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 11:10 AM) should I just respond "I think it's been discussed in this thread enough" while I'm waiting for you to respond to what Badger and Illinilaw said yesterday and today? How long ago did you dismiss voter disenfranchisement in NC? Any more polls that you can post while at the same time claiming conspiracy? 1) I claimed no conspiracy. 2) What factual item did either Badger or Illinilaw bring up that was factual? 3) Are you saying that it's FACTUAL that the voter law passed in NC was to deny a race or multiple races? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett05 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 12:12 PM) Roe vs Wade is old, like were any of the current justices involved in that decision? The government has business with marriage as long as their benefits from it. If you eliminate the benefits of being married, then yes, they should not have a say in it. Do you have any additional cases? I agree about the Obamacare mandate being bad. Married people should not get special privilege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 QUOTE (brett05 @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 01:08 PM) For which there is no evidence of "stuffing." There were posts on pro-trump message boards directing people to go vote at those polls. Regardless, you're still missing the underlying problem with self-selected polls. They're basically guaranteed to not be a representative sample of the population at large, as opposed to scientific polls which attempt to be. Those online polls are a result applicable only to the people who sought out and voted in those polls and you can't extrapolate those results to any larger population group. Scientific polling attempts to get a sample whose demographics closely resemble the population of interest at large. Building out the model of what the expected voter demographics will be is inherently subjective, but the results are still at least somewhat representative whereas those online polls aren't and never could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 This really doesn't matter, because in the week-plus since this conversation over internet polls started, Trump's taken a big dive in the ACTUAL polls, and all that creeping-back he did in September is basically wiped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 QUOTE (brett05 @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 08:08 PM) For which there is no evidence of "stuffing." The fact that the stuffable polls massively contradicted the non-stuffable polls is extremely strong evidence that they were stuffed. ...And there's the posts on Reddit and 4chan where Trump supporters talked about spamming those polls. http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-clint...han-the-donald/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 QUOTE (brett05 @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 08:11 PM) 3) Are you saying that it's FACTUAL that the voter law passed in NC was to deny a race or multiple races? Beyond a reasonable doubt, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) Hillary Clinton -333 Donald Trump +250 That's a wrap folks. They even have prop bets for Trump's tie color and Clinton's jacket. Too funny. EDIT: Seriously go to Bovada's Politics section for a real laugh. These prop bets are insane! Edited October 6, 2016 by pettie4sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) right wing has degraded into unskewing hurricanes now MATT DRUDGE ✔ @DRUDGE Hurricane Center has monopoly on data. No way of verifying claims. Nassau ground observations DID NOT match statements! 165mph gusts? WHERE? 1:37 PM - 6 Oct 2016 also ties into the lol online polls discussion Edited October 7, 2016 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 White Stripes with a new t-shirt featuring some prescient lyrics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Crazy how influential drudge still is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett05 Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 02:22 PM) There were posts on pro-trump message boards directing people to go vote at those polls. Regardless, you're still missing the underlying problem with self-selected polls. They're basically guaranteed to not be a representative sample of the population at large, as opposed to scientific polls which attempt to be. Those online polls are a result applicable only to the people who sought out and voted in those polls and you can't extrapolate those results to any larger population group. Scientific polling attempts to get a sample whose demographics closely resemble the population of interest at large. Building out the model of what the expected voter demographics will be is inherently subjective, but the results are still at least somewhat representative whereas those online polls aren't and never could be. And yet I know all of this. All I stated were that the majority of polls were Trump and that was true. I think you all need some Valium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 QUOTE (brett05 @ Sep 27, 2016 -> 10:37 AM) And how many of those were one on one? That's right...Zero. You are right. I did find a couple more that favored Hillary. 90+% of the polls favor Donald. Deny the truth all you wish my friend. See this post really gives the impression that you don't really understand. You seem to think or at least thought that us dismissing the online polls was wishful thinking, that Trump actually won that debate and that the election is his for the taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 QUOTE (brett05 @ Oct 7, 2016 -> 11:40 AM) And yet I know all of this. All I stated were that the majority of polls were Trump and that was true. I think you all need some Valium That's a quality flip flop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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