2016 Democratic Thread

[RockRaines]

The difference is that they have become a substitute for actual intelligent information.

We are flooded with information now, much of which is false. However back in the "old days" there was very little information and much of it was false. Pick your poison.

[Kyyle23]

I can't believe some of the comments on here from Democrats on this thread. Do you staunch Democrats ever look in the mirror and realize Republicans are fellow Americans? Some people act like Republicans are the scum of the earth. We are all in this together. My feeling is the enemies are not members of a certain party but the 1 percenters and the business leaders who dump on the little guy every day of every week (middle class) to give those one percenters cars, boats, mansions, vacation mansions. Trump and Hillary are both 1 percenters. The middle class gets hit with declining health benefits, more cost for health benefits, low paying jobs, RIDICULOUS costs for college. We need somebody who cares about the middle class. Hillary and Trump? You are fooling yourselves if you think either one of them care about the middle class.

 

Dont talk about being arm and arm with fellow americans. You have demonstrated that there are plenty that you would rather not be around, either because of how they protest or how they dress

[greg775]

You don't know what it's like being a black person reading comments from Trump supporters, do you? Like you have no idea. It's actually terrifying.

What are Trump supporters saying? I know he wants stop and frisk which is ridiculous. Trump is awful. My point is Hillary is too and we are all in this together. She isn't going to help blacks one iota. She isn't going to help anybody but the 1 percenters. I have nothing against Democrats. I told u all I vote Democrat when the Repub. candidate blows and the Democratic candidate is even OK (Obama). Oh I forgot, nobody believes me. I have nothing against Demos, but reading this thread makes me think Demos HATE Repubs.

 

f*** people, wake up.

I would agree. But negative campaigning is the rage and has been a long time. And the media reporters of the debates are on the "gotcha, zinger" lines except when a Republican makes them. Trump's "you'd be in jail" is already out of the news rather than propelling him, lol.

[lostfan]

What are Trump supporters saying? I know he wants stop and frisk which is ridiculous. Trump is awful. My point is Hillary is too and we are all in this together. She isn't going to help blacks one iota. She isn't going to help anybody but the 1 percenters. I have nothing against Democrats. I told u all I vote Democrat when the Repub. candidate blows and the Democratic candidate is even OK (Obama). Oh I forgot, nobody believes me. I have nothing against Demos, but reading this thread makes me think Demos HATE Repubs.

It's too much to summarize. Outright hostility. I would feel physically unsafe if I didn't know they were mostly cowards and keyboard warriors but still.

[greg775]

It's too much to summarize. Outright hostility. I would feel physically unsafe if I didn't know they were mostly cowards and keyboard warriors but still.

On Twitter? f*** Twitter. Like you said, keyboard warriors. Racists are the scum of the earth. How could any man stay married or marry a racist woman? And how could a racist woman marry or stay married to a racist man?

You answer a question for me pls. Are u confident Hillary will help anybody but the 1 percenters? She's just as bad as Trump. And her supporters aren't as vocal cause they merely love her cause of her name. They know there's nothing to brag about with her. There's no reason to be optimistic about America's future with her. WIth Trump there may be no future. We'll probably be nuked w/in 2 years. I just wish Hillary supporters would be honest and tell me, yes, she is awful as well.

Edited October 11, 2016 by greg775

[lostfan]

This is a gross generalization and probably taking politics a bit too far. I've obviously made it known I detest HRC but I've family members who adore her. I would never say the country is a better place without her supporters. That's taking politics too personal

 

There are plenty of people who despise HRC just as much as you despise Trump. There's a chunk of people who are either "anyone but Hillary" or "anyone but Trump." There are also a lot of Republicans who are Republican because they work hard, provide for themselves and get nothing from the government. Even someone as ridiculous as Trump couldn't get them off the GOP ticket.

I'm talking about people who are literally neo-Nazis. I don't really feel much of an impulse to coddle them with fake deference and respect tbh.

[RockRaines]

I really don't get all of this stuff on the sexual habits and Trump's talk. It's pretty well documented that HRC and Bill Clinton have some sort of arraignment where they f*** other people. Or at least they did when they were physically able. Obviously Bill does whatever he wants and there's a less reputable chain on HRC. Who cares as long as they're consenting adults...

 

And as far as Trump's comments, it's not like he was serious when he was saying he'd grab them by the p****. Girls like Trump for his incredible wealth. It's not rocket science. He's cocky and insensitive but he's just saying, he can do whatever he wants because the women want to be with him (because of his money). Calling him rapist is for his comments to Billy Bush is like calling HRC a murderer for her emails on droning Assange.

 

I have a lifelong friend who is incredibly smart, has the gift of the gab and is a great guy to hang around with. The guy works out all the time and has gotten multiple modeling offers when he's never even pursued getting them. Anytime we would go anywhere when he was single he would just come up to me and point at the girl he wanted and say, "I am going to f*** that girl tonight." Most times he would. I didn't look down on him for it. The girls were all consenting and happy to be with him. If there's no victim why do we care?

Why did you quote my post and then make a statement thats totally irrelevant? Trump didn't say he would cheat, he did, many times. He had a kid out of wedlock with his mistress. Not sure what that has to do with your reply on his locker room talk.

[lostfan]

On Twitter? f*** Twitter. Like you said, keyboard warriors. Racists are the scum of the earth. How could any man stay married or marry a racist woman? And how could a racist woman marry or stay married to a racist man?

You answer a question for me pls. Are u confident Hillary will help anybody but the 1 percenters? She's just as bad as Trump. And her supporters aren't as vocal cause they merely love her cause of her name. They know there's nothing to brag about with her. There's no reason to be optimistic about America's future with her. WIth Trump there may be no future. We'll probably be nuked w/in 2 years. I just wish Hillary supporters would be honest and tell me, yes, she is awful as well.

Hillary is going to be mostly the same as Obama, except substituting her own political baggage for his. Same exact domestic policies, going to run into the same hurdles Obama's did against Republicans in Congress.

[chw42]

Donald Trump listens to so much rap. You wouldn't even believe it.

 

I like the best rap. People tell me my music tastes are great.

[caulfield12]

Here's the thing.

 

HRC is flawed...some of the recent revelations coming out about the DNC and Clinton campaigns vs. Bernie Sanders and his (young) supporters makes me cringe. She's much cozier with the banks and free trade tenets than she lets on in public, for example.

 

The difference in the two campaigns is one side is mostly divided on ideological grounds (Hillary is a one percenter), that's mostly an economic argument about what we truly believe about the efficacy of income redistribution in America.

 

On the other side, you have roughly 1/4 to 1/3rd of the likely Republican voters filled with hate and vitriol for foreigners, for black people (especially Obama), for Hispanics, for the LGBT community, misogynistic attitudes towards women, etc.

 

Greg, you may feel ethically/morally that HRC is corrupt and even should be arrested, but, as an American...can you honestly not see the difference? Is it simply that being branded a racist for being Republican (and not a Trump supporter) is what upsets you the most, being lumped in with the deplorables now instead of being able to hide behind a veneer of Ayn Rand rugged individualism and self-reliance? Or perhaps you perceive the Democrats as hating religion/God, and you believe that's worse than the different "ism" versions of hate coming out of the Trump campaign? That it's all somehow even because just as many Dems are atheist and "hate" God in your perception?

Edited October 11, 2016 by caulfield12

[brett05]

LOL, seriously?

Do you personally know anyone that is milking the poverty system?

 

Yes, I am serious.

[lostfan]

Here's the thing.

 

HRC is flawed...some of the recent revelations coming out about the DNC and Clinton campaigns vs. Bernie Sanders and his (young) supporters makes me cringe. She's much cozier with the banks and free trade tenets than she lets on in public, for example.

 

The difference in the two campaigns is one side is mostly divided on ideological grounds (Hillary is a one percenter), that's mostly an economic argument about what we truly believe about the efficacy of income redistribution in America.

 

On the other side, you have roughly 1/3rd of the likely Republican voters filled with hate and vitriol for foreigners, for black people (especially Obama), for Hispanics, for the LGBT community, misogynistic attitudes towards women, etc.

 

Greg, you may feel ethically/morally that HRC is corrupt and even should be arrested, but, as an American...can you honestly not see the difference? Is it simply that being branded a racist for being Republican (and not a Trump supporter) is what upsets you the most, being lumped in with the deplorables now instead of being able to hide behind a veneer of Ayn Rand rugged individualism and self-reliance? Or perhaps you perceive the Democrats as hating religion/God, and youbelieve that's worse than the different "ism" versions of hate coming out of the Trump campaign?

Honestly how'd people not know this about Hillary/banks? (Fresh Prince pun not intended.) She was a senator from New York, that's a major part of her constituency. Did people really think she was going to have an adversarial relationship with them?

[brett05]

For the record it is a relief and kind of exciting to have arguments over whether social programs increase or decrease likelihood of moving people out of poverty cycle. I'd much rather have that discussion than worrying about an insane man will get elected president.

you misspelled 'woman'

[shysocks]

good post brett

[RockRaines]

Do you personally know anyone that is milking the poverty system?

 

Yes, I am serious.

LOL, you seriously think people would have kids to get a $1,000 TAX credit and ultimately lose money in the process? Jesus Christ thats moronic.

[caulfield12]

I like the best rap. People tell me my music tastes are great.

 

White people cannot be racist if they like rap/hip hop/R&B and have at least 3-5 African-American friends on Facebook.

 

 

[lostfan]

I agreed with your POV and perhaps rambled a bit from where I started...Sorry? I wasn't directing my sentiment at you personally.

 

IE, it's not my place to say who should or shouldn't be having sex with whomever as long as it's a.) adults and b.) consensual.

 

This whole Bill Clinton (from the right) and Trump (from the left) are rapists is ridiculous. Powerful people have sex a lot more and are subjected to people trying to gain from them. Until one of them gets convicted or even tried of something, it is stupid. You are not a rapist for saying something. You are not automatically a horrible person for having sex with someone else when you're married (details matter). Every person being accused of something is not automatically guilty if you disagree with their politics.

Progressive sexual ethics is based on consent, whereas conservative sexual ethics is based on religious values. That means they find different things unacceptable for different reasons.

 

Example: polyamorous relationships are okay because everyone involved is a consenting adult. But to conservatives that's a sin, so it's a no-go. Same with homosexual relationships.

 

Pedophilia is never permissible because the child can't consent. Same for conservatives because their religious values say so. So there is no disagreement about it.

 

All of this tends to get lost in translation.

[southsider2k5]

John Quincy Adams spread around that Andrew Jackson had a whore for a mother. The dialogue around the Gettysburg address came after A PORTION OF THE COUNTRY DECLARED WAR AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT TO OWN SLAVES. So yeah I'll take modern incivility with a grain of salt.

 

Again the difference is the incivility IS the political process today, versus it being a part of political process at times.

[caulfield12]

LOL, you seriously think people would have kids to get a $1,000 TAX credit and ultimately lose money in the process? Jesus Christ thats moronic.

 

This goes back to seeing the worst possible attributes in the "other" side.

 

Perception.

 

Brett, are you honestly responding to this tax credit and picturing a single white mother in Appalachia, Mississippi or even on an Indian reservation? A single mother from the Rust Belt whose husband worked in a factory and they divorced after he lost his job and couldn't find anything more than minimum wage jobs to replace it?

 

Or is that mother black or Hispanic (likely an illegal immigrant)?

[illinilaw08]

Hillary is going to be mostly the same as Obama, except substituting her own political baggage for his. Same exact domestic policies, going to run into the same hurdles Obama's did against Republicans in Congress.

 

I wish I had thought to keep track of the number of times this post - or one closely resembling it - has been written in response to Greg re: Hillary...

[CrimsonWeltall]

And as far as Trump's comments, it's not like he was serious when he was saying he'd grab them by the p****. Girls like Trump for his incredible wealth. It's not rocket science. He's cocky and insensitive but he's just saying, he can do whatever he wants because the women want to be with him (because of his money).

 

Why wouldn't we think he was serious? Who falsely brags about sexual assault? Trump already admitted on Howard Stern that he would barge into the dressing rooms of Miss USA contestants to see them naked. This isn't a guy who gives a s*** about what women want. They're sexual objects.

 

He does whatever he wants and knows he has enough power/money to get away with it.

[southsider2k5]

LOL, you seriously think people would have kids to get a $1,000 TAX credit and ultimately lose money in the process? Jesus Christ thats moronic.

 

I have actually heard high school girls talk about getting pregnant for the increase in welfare. Of course the few times I heard it, these kids were coming out of extreme situations so it isn't like a common thing. But there are a non-zero percentage of people who see that kid as a paycheck because their situations are so dire and hopeless.

[southsider2k5]

Why wouldn't we think he was serious? Who falsely brags about sexual assault? Trump already admitted on Howard Stern that he would barge into the dressing rooms of Miss USA contestants to see them naked. This isn't a guy who gives a s*** about what women want. They're sexual objects.

 

He does whatever he wants and knows he has enough power/money to get away with it.

 

To be fair, the guy is a pathological liar. I don't think you can assume that anything that comes out of his mouth is the truth.

[StrangeSox]

Why wouldn't we think he was serious? Who falsely brags about sexual assault? Trump already admitted on Howard Stern that he would barge into the dressing rooms of Miss USA contestants to see them naked. This isn't a guy who gives a s*** about what women want. They're sexual objects.

 

He does whatever he wants and knows he has enough power/money to get away with it.

 

He's also been alleged to do exactly what he was describing by at least a couple of women.

Edited October 11, 2016 by StrangeSox

[lostfan]

Why wouldn't we think he was serious? Who falsely brags about sexual assault? Trump already admitted on Howard Stern that he would barge into the dressing rooms of Miss USA contestants to see them naked. This isn't a guy who gives a s*** about what women want. They're sexual objects.

 

He does whatever he wants and knows he has enough power/money to get away with it.

I would've been shocked if this was, say, Tim Tebow doing this. But Trump? Yes he is exactly who he's saying he is. Of COURSE he gropes women.