StrangeSox Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Trump with the increasing "rigged!" rhetoric. Scary how a significant majority of his supporters are already calling the election illegitimate. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/...995025527410688 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 07:41 AM) Because Trump grabs women by the p****. That's all that matters in this election. Gregs rehashed bs accusations have been responded to ad nauseum in this thread, surprisingly he never seems to respond to them, nor most other anti-Hillary voters. And they take time to write! Weird huh? It's almost like they don't actually care about the response. I should definitely keep taking time to engage in interesting debate with all of you. Edited October 17, 2016 by bmags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 08:04 AM) Well that and the fact that he's campaigning on fascism. Edit plus there's really not anything horrible coming out of these email leaks anyway The fascism and racism are sooo September. The sexism is what the cool kids are talking about now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 01:33 PM) The fascism and racism are sooo September. The sexism is what the cool kids are talking about now. He keeps it fresh. A new scandal every week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 I never understood getting pissed at someone who makes bank at giving speeches. How is that crooked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 09:37 AM) I never understood getting pissed at someone who makes bank at giving speeches. How is that crooked? It's not. Just about anyone whose name puts them in the market to do that does it. Why wouldn't they? It's easy money. It's not illegal or even unethical. It's honest money. It's no more crooked than athletes getting 8-figure contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 02:37 PM) I never understood getting pissed at someone who makes bank at giving speeches. How is that crooked? The idea is that the money isn't really for the speech; it's for favors down the road. Which seems plausible. I wouldn't go to a Hillary Clinton speech for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 08:42 AM) The idea is that the money isn't really for the speech; it's for favors down the road. Which seems plausible. I wouldn't go to a Hillary Clinton speech for free. This is a very apt critique of Clinton and I think something that is helpful to have Warren and Sanders in the SENATE and not the admin for. https://newrepublic.com/article/132796/dont...ton-transcripts But re: money. Should be pointed out that Barney Frank gives speeches to wall street for money, and as a writer of dodd frank, the origin of all evil, that seems weird! edit: should be pointed out this was pre leaks, and was almost more on point after as they did correctly call out what they would be. For talk of clinton as a windsock...she actually has a lot of public stances that you can hold her to and see that they are a pretty good indicator of what she'll do! Edited October 17, 2016 by bmags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 08:33 AM) The fascism and racism are sooo September. The sexism is what the cool kids are talking about now. You seem sort of upset that people don't like a Presidential candidate who bragged about sexual assault and then had a wave of accusers come out after he denied it. Is that not a newsworthy event? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/washingtons...ory?id=24551590 Interesting that Donald Trump makes a LOT more for his speeches than the Clintons. Smart business or crooked? Lots of other political names here. In 2010, it was Tony Blair at $616,000 per speech at #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 09:03 AM) You seem sort of upset that people don't like a Presidential candidate who bragged about sexual assault and then had a wave of accusers come out after he denied it. Is that not a newsworthy event? Not at all, I don't like the guy either. I just hate this entire election cycle and the fact that our next president will be elected simply on the platform of "at least she's not the crazy guy". And now the media is just in a contest as to who can find the most ridiculous story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 I'm going to miss the First Lady, there wasn't one like her and there probably won't be another. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/17/t-magazi...etter.html?_r=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 11:39 AM) Not at all, I don't like the guy either. I just hate this entire election cycle and the fact that our next president will be elected simply on the platform of "at least she's not the crazy guy". And now the media is just in a contest as to who can find the most ridiculous story. Yes, there was a point a few weeks ago where we were talking about whether Clinton's deep poverty plan would reinforce culture of lack of work or would pull out families from poverty and that was so refreshing. Because Trump has no policy, he has made this a character indictment of him, and then a de facto character indictment of Clinton. That would be there with any candidate (re clinton). Which in some ways is nice because the dems have put forth the most progressive platform of my lifetime and it is not even a contention point. In other ways, I think these policies are important and that they aren't vetted at all on national level will lead to a lot of obstruction arguments that "the people didn't want this". In 2008 - you knew health care reform was coming. It was the topic of the season. What will be Clinton's top priority? It's hard to know. There is no one really asking policy questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 12:46 PM) Yes, there was a point a few weeks ago where we were talking about whether Clinton's deep poverty plan would reinforce culture of lack of work or would pull out families from poverty and that was so refreshing. Because Trump has no policy, he has made this a character indictment of him, and then a de facto character indictment of Clinton. That would be there with any candidate (re clinton). Which in some ways is nice because the dems have put forth the most progressive platform of my lifetime and it is not even a contention point. In other ways, I think these policies are important and that they aren't vetted at all on national level will lead to a lot of obstruction arguments that "the people didn't want this". In 2008 - you knew health care reform was coming. It was the topic of the season. What will be Clinton's top priority? It's hard to know. There is no one really asking policy questions. I feel like she's covered this ground. She's discussed climate change, income inequality, expanded childcare, investment in infrastructure, and criminal justice reform off the top of my head. But every time people start discussing her policies in any kind of detail they get drowned out by the latest Trump fart noises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 17, 2016 Author Share Posted October 17, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 11:46 AM) Yes, there was a point a few weeks ago where we were talking about whether Clinton's deep poverty plan would reinforce culture of lack of work or would pull out families from poverty and that was so refreshing. Because Trump has no policy, he has made this a character indictment of him, and then a de facto character indictment of Clinton. That would be there with any candidate (re clinton). Which in some ways is nice because the dems have put forth the most progressive platform of my lifetime and it is not even a contention point. In other ways, I think these policies are important and that they aren't vetted at all on national level will lead to a lot of obstruction arguments that "the people didn't want this". In 2008 - you knew health care reform was coming. It was the topic of the season. What will be Clinton's top priority? It's hard to know. There is no one really asking policy questions. I really feel this election cycle would be a lot better if Clinton didn't spend as much time as she did dropping to his level and engaging him in this stupidity. It is also another reason I question her decision making skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 11:56 AM) I really feel this election cycle would be a lot better if Clinton didn't spend as much time as she did dropping to his level and engaging him in this stupidity. It is also another reason I question her decision making skills. I disagree. From June until August she was out on trail with voters and releasing her policy proposals to a bunch of crickets. Greg thought she was hiding or that the media was specifically not covering her. Because she is an incumbent it is hard to set the agenda anyways. The agenda has been set by trump, and that agenda is just saying crazy s*** and blaming all of the worlds problems on everyone that has never complimented him personally. The referendum has become not on Obama's presidency, but on Trump himself. There is no reason why she should not question all of the crazy stuff he says. If Mitt Romney had said the Central Park 5 are still guilty, it would have sunk him. It barely even gets noticed. But that is really bad! So she has to note that he can't be the law and order president if his version of law and order is just throwing people in jail with no evidence. And also, people don't lke Trump, and like when people stand up to him. She has been much more effective when she plays the role of standing up for groups hurt by him than when she ignores it and speaks policy. For reference to this, see how paul ryan keeps trying to bring up his policy platform every day when everyone just wants to talk about Trump. It makes him look ridiculous. And that's the box she gets put on. He says something nuts, people want to talk about it. People want her to refute him. It's not poor judgment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) It's also lead to a pretty substantial lead in the polls for her, so it seems to have been the right decision to make. To that point, Monmouth dropped another national poll today showing Clinton over 50% and with a double-digit lead. Plus, don't forget that most of the garbage surrounding Trump has been driven by Trump himself, not Clinton. Edited October 17, 2016 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 11:46 AM) I'm going to miss the First Lady, there wasn't one like her and there probably won't be another. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/17/t-magazi...etter.html?_r=0 Greg should be more worried about Michelle than Chelsea. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 11:56 AM) I really feel this election cycle would be a lot better if Clinton didn't spend as much time as she did dropping to his level and engaging him in this stupidity. It is also another reason I question her decision making skills. See, even at her worst this campaign she hasn't been close to his level. She has to appear stronger than him in debates, so she has to engage him while still getting her policy across. Which I think she's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 I am 100% certain you'll never see Michelle Obama continue in an actual political position. She seems to want to go back to a more normal life ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 01:23 PM) I am 100% certain you'll never see Michelle Obama continue in an actual political position. She seems to want to go back to a more normal life ASAP. She supposedly loathes Washington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 02:23 PM) I am 100% certain you'll never see Michelle Obama continue in an actual political position. She seems to want to go back to a more normal life ASAP. She was reluctant to go to Washington in the first place (note how she stayed in Chicago when her husband was in the Senate). But she COULD if she wanted. She's extraordinarily talented. She's got no interest in putting herself through that grind, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 MLB/election crossover news Adrian Gonzalez refused to stay with Dodgers at Trump Hotel in Chicago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 I think she'll start up a foundation similar to the Clintons and do work in US and specifically Chicago. At least I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 01:23 PM) I am 100% certain you'll never see Michelle Obama continue in an actual political position. She seems to want to go back to a more normal life ASAP. And yet, more likely than Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 01:36 PM) And yet, more likely than Chelsea. TBH I would be less shocked if Chelsea run especially with Clinton Foundation unwinding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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