2016 Democratic Thread

[StrangeSox]

Eh, he would have been done in by the market crash of the first tech bubble and for sure 9/11 if that attack still happened on his watch. But if not and that's was the will of the people, so be it. Term limits are undemocratic.

[cabiness42]

Eh, he would have been done in by the market crash of the first tech bubble and for sure 9/11 if that attack still happened on his watch. But if not and that's was the will of the people, so be it. Term limits are undemocratic.

 

I like Indiana's law. You can serve no more than two terms consecutively, but there is no limit on the total number of terms.

[Reddy]

Even in the reports I have read on it the media is using the way Washington awards its delegates to make it seem like Bernie only cut her lead by 35 delegates when in reality it will be closer to a 65 or so gain once the rest of the delegates are awarded. One article I read made the ridiculous assertion that Bernie continues to do well in "predominantly white, caucus states" despite the fact that Washington, Hawaii and Alaska are three of the most ethnically diverse states in the USA. The media bias is really out of hand.

 

Is it a bias, or just a reflection of the fact that the math still shows that this race is essentially over?

 

(I mean I know there's a bias in there, obviously, but that also doesn't mean they need to be gushing over Bernie's relatively meaningless wins)

 

That's right y'all. Reddy is a Hillary supporter. Who saw that coming?

[GoSox05]

Meaningless wins.

[pettie4sox]

I bet you thought Hilary had it in the bag in 2008 too, eh Reddy.

[Reddy]

I bet you thought Hilary had it in the bag in 2008 too, eh Reddy.

Nope. I was a diehard Edwards guy.

 

Yikes.

[pettie4sox]

Pic or it didn't happen.

[cabiness42]

Is it a bias, or just a reflection of the fact that the math still shows that this race is essentially over?

 

(I mean I know there's a bias in there, obviously, but that also doesn't mean they need to be gushing over Bernie's relatively meaningless wins)

 

That's right y'all. Reddy is a Hillary supporter. Who saw that coming?

 

The race is essentially over if none of the superdelegates flip. Bernie still has a decent chance at getting over 50% of pledged delegates and then who knows how many superdelegates flip.

[StrangeSox]

Cruz was doing his best in the CNN town hall to remind everyone that he's just a little more eloquent in his insane views than trump.

[pettie4sox]

Cruz was doing his best in the CNN town hall to remind everyone that he's just a little more eloquent in his insane views than trump.

 

To be a Republican right now must be difficult.

 

Pick your poison carefully... preferably the poison that kills you the easiest.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

To be a Republican right now must be difficult.

 

Pick your poison carefully... preferably the poison that kills you the easiest.

 

I don't think it's all that much different for Democrats. Hillary is reviled by a lot of people and their only other option is someone far left. Neither party has a candidate right now that people can really be jumping for joy over. Personally, unless Kasich somehow wins at the convention, I can't see myself voting for any other Republican candidate, so I'll be voting for Clinton.

[pettie4sox]

I don't think it's all that much different for Democrats. Hillary is reviled by a lot of people and their only other option is someone far left. Neither party has a candidate right now that people can really be jumping for joy over. Personally, unless Kasich somehow wins at the convention, I can't see myself voting for any other Republican candidate, so I'll be voting for Clinton.

 

Sure the democrats have their problems too and Clinton is at the head of that if you ask me.

 

That being said, I think it's disingenuous on your part to act like these problems are similar. Hilary is not a good candidate but she is not talking about spying on Muslims, trying to implement a christian version of sharia law, or behaving like minorities are the problems with this country.

 

The fact that Ted Cruz berates a Georgia governor because he believes he kowtowed to the PC crowd over "religious freedom" is pretty bloody repulsive.

[GoSox05]

‏@alivitali 21m21 minutes ago

 

NEW Trump to @msnbc: "there has to be some form of punishment" for women who have abortions but he has yet to determine what that should be.

 

[cabiness42]

‏@alivitali 21m21 minutes ago

 

NEW Trump to @msnbc: "there has to be some form of punishment" for women who have abortions but he has yet to determine what that should be.

 

There isn't a major pro-life organization that endorses that position. I'd be shocked if a few of them don't publicly come out against that comment very soon.

 

Edited to add: Also, there's absolutely no way you can win a general election with that position.

Edited March 30, 2016 by HickoryHuskers

[StrangeSox]

Feds reinstitute the "equitable sharing" program that enables police to confiscate stuff from people and keep it for their own benefit without a trial.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp...p-it/?tid=a_inl

[bigruss]

[cabiness42]

Feds reinstitute the "equitable sharing" program that enables police to confiscate stuff from people and keep it for their own benefit without a trial.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp...p-it/?tid=a_inl

 

I have a friend who is a professional poker player. Down in Mississippi, the cops would have plants in the casinos who would follow big winners to their cars and then text license plate numbers to cops who would just happen to catch them going 2mph over the limit and help themselves to the winnings.

 

The poker players got smart and started getting checks instead of cash for their winnings and then sending them to home (or the location of their next tournament) via Fed Ex.

 

Last time my friend was down there, we won about $25k, sent it off via check. He spotted the mole following him to his car, turned to him and said, "tell those motherf***ing pigs that all I have on me is $10 cash, a $10 pair of sunglasses, and a $30 watch."

[greg775]

Notice I haven't bashed Hillary lately? I truly have figured out a way to survive this encompassing dislike of Hillary that I have. I have not read a word about her or watched her on TV, listened to her on radio for a few weeks in a row now and will continue avoiding her in such mediums.

The second the TV or radio starts talking election or Hillary I turn it off. It's going to be my policy during her eight years and if Chelsea enters politics, the next 16 years. I can't take Hillary's voice screaming at me and all the things I've expressed that I dislike about her, so I have to check out politically.

It's easier since the other candidates are scary bad as well except Kasisch (IMO). I am selfish enough to hope she somehow improves the country/world in her tenure and proves me wrong, but not listening to Hillary at all has helped me calm down and become a better person.

[Reddy]

Notice I haven't bashed Hillary lately? I truly have figured out a way to survive this encompassing dislike of Hillary that I have. I have not read a word about her or watched her on TV, listened to her on radio for a few weeks in a row now and will continue avoiding her in such mediums.

The second the TV or radio starts talking election or Hillary I turn it off. It's going to be my policy during her eight years and if Chelsea enters politics, the next 16 years. I can't take Hillary's voice screaming at me and all the things I've expressed that I dislike about her, so I have to check out politically.

It's easier since the other candidates are scary bad as well except Kasisch (IMO). I am selfish enough to hope she somehow improves the country/world in her tenure and proves me wrong, but not listening to Hillary at all has helped me calm down and become a better person.

 

:lolhitting

 

this is comedy gold.

[StrangeSox]

California is set to pass a $15 minimum wage

[Rex Kickass]

New York just did.

[Balta1701]

Bernie gave a pretty poor interview to the NY Daily News on a variety of topics. Some people have been disappointed by the seeming lack of depth on his foreign policy views, but I'm going to highlight this response to it:

I have to admit that I was rather stunned by this whole interview. Over the course of the last few months, I have been asking questions about the details of many of Sanders’ proposals. He doesn’t need to provide those in his stump speech. But when these kinds of bold structural changes are the cornerstone of your agenda, I assumed that a great deal of inquiry and thought had gone into reaching the conclusion that they were necessary. Throughout this interview I saw none of that. Here is what Bill Palmer had to say about it:

 

In other words, despite so many months of promising to break up the big banks, Sanders doesn’t appear to have ever stopped and asked an economic advisor how it would legally or functionally work or if it’s even possible.

Probably worth reading if you're interested in policy details and that has any impact on your vote.

[Chisoxfn]

Bernie gave a pretty poor interview to the NY Daily News on a variety of topics. Some people have been disappointed by the seeming lack of depth on his foreign policy views, but I'm going to highlight this response to it:

Probably worth reading if you're interested in policy details and that has any impact on your vote.

The same scenario exists with most politicans, imo. It baffles me how they can make so many promises and so many people can believe it, when structurally it is damn near impossible to do something about it. For example, Trump, how is he going to deport 12M (or whatever the number is) illegal aliens. Seriously, how is he going to do that. Are we going to have national guards going door to door and marshall law to deport all these people? Its about the only way I can see it happening? And no, I don't support his policy.

 

I do support a strong border as I believe it is integral to our security but I also support legal immigration and I also realize that whatever the cost (both actual cash outlay as well as emotional damage to up-root people, the vast majority who have worked hard and done things that ultimately support our economy and our infrastructure and who risked everything to come here for the pure hope that American brings) far outweighs what it would cost to create a program to legalize those existing people (while strengthening the borders to ensure that we can go forward with properly vetting and determining an appropriate process for legal immigration). Now when it gets to that extent, I don't have the simple answer.

 

[StrangeSox]

Mississippi just signed into law a measure allowing business and government workers to deny services based on religious beliefs i.e. refuse to hand out marriage licenses for same-sex couples.

[bmags]

The same scenario exists with most politicans, imo. It baffles me how they can make so many promises and so many people can believe it, when structurally it is damn near impossible to do something about it. For example, Trump, how is he going to deport 12M (or whatever the number is) illegal aliens. Seriously, how is he going to do that. Are we going to have national guards going door to door and marshall law to deport all these people? Its about the only way I can see it happening? And no, I don't support his policy.

 

I do support a strong border as I believe it is integral to our security but I also support legal immigration and I also realize that whatever the cost (both actual cash outlay as well as emotional damage to up-root people, the vast majority who have worked hard and done things that ultimately support our economy and our infrastructure and who risked everything to come here for the pure hope that American brings) far outweighs what it would cost to create a program to legalize those existing people (while strengthening the borders to ensure that we can go forward with properly vetting and determining an appropriate process for legal immigration). Now when it gets to that extent, I don't have the simple answer.

 

 

Well, to be honest, I think this is largely fine. We ask these people about a large range of topics, many of which will never change. But there's also a possibility that an event could occur pushing something to the forefront, and it's a worthwhile exercise to know where they stand on it.

 

I don't think Sanders necessarily needs to have a fully fleshed out single payer system, that doesn't bother me.

 

This bothers me more. If you are going to basically accuse all of your contemporaries of being in the pocket of big banks, and that wall street is by its very nature corrupt, and then can't speak beyond platitudes on that, that's almost...insincere! That almost seems like something a politician would do. I can't see Warren stumbling over that stuff.

 

Also, I love how the interview seems to push that, hey, maybe dodd frank actually does things. "How would you do this" "well I would use Dodd Frank"...Dodd Frank, the useless piece of legislation bought and paid for by banks and pushed by corporate democrats?